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Muslim riots in Sweden.

JimLes said:
Well, for one, citizenship laws. Until 2001, there was no dual citizenship in Sweden. Children are not automatically born citizens, either, which is stupid. Doesn't exactly encourage kids to identify with Sweden. This of course stems from the idea that originally, the immigrants were all supposed to be guest workers, who would turn 50, retire, and then return to whatever country they were born but haven't lived in for 2-3 decades.

Then there's the issue of what room is there for Islam within Swedish identity. One of the common threads you'll see in both media and public discourse in Sweden is that there is a Swedish/not-Swedish dichotomy which implies that there are real Swedes(white, Christian, largely Nordic ancestry) and the immigrants who live in Sweden but are not Swedes, even if they have been in the country for 2-3 generations. If you set up a paradigm whereas Islam and Swedishness are incompatible, what is the likelihood of any Muslim wanting to adopt any part of Swedish identity?
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In Dubai I remember there was a huge Indian population. They mostly did the menial labor around the city, including driving cabs. In order to have citizenship in the UAE you have to establish your lineage quite a ways back, from what one of the cab drivers told me. If you can't do that you aren't ever going to be a citizen. That said, most the Indians I talked to were very pro UAE. They really seemed like they were on board and felt like they shared the UAE identity. I didn't get into very many religious debates with the locals overseas, but I'm going to assume most the Indians were Hindus. I don't know if there was a lot of discrimination against them, but from my perspective they were absolutely viewed as the menial laborers. despite that fact they seemed more than content. Maybe that was just the one's I talked to, never talked to anyone on the garbage crew that would come and clean up the sandbox* every morning.

*The sandbox, oh the memories...

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Man, posting those pictures I can smell the place, I can feel the cheap wood used for floor boards in the trailers sagging under my feat as I look at DVDs and cuban cigars.

Anyway, that's where carriers can pull in when they're having liberty in Dubai. It's a sectioned off, secure area with a bunch of crappy little shops in a big square and in the center a cabana type bar where they sell sailors beer to enjoy as in the second photo. If the ship has been at sea for a while they usually restrict the first night of liberty to the sandbox so sailors can get trashed and blow off some steam before mingling with the locals. In that pic it is definitely not first night in the sandbox action going on, that's pretty light traffic. About 4,000 sailors jammed in there getting trashed on a typical first night.

Sorry, got nostalgic and went a little off track.
 
Gameface said:
. I served in the U.S. Navy with several Muslims. If you don't think Multiculturalism is functional I wonder why the U.S. military is so ****ing hard core bad ***. Multiculturalism is inescapable in the U.S. military, and you better get your *** on board if you find yourself in a U.S. military uniform because you will be punished if you can't learn how to play nice with people who are different than you.
What I mean is the ability of people with different cultural backgrounds to peacefully coexist in a specific geopolitical location.
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hey, I have 3 muslim teammates on my soccer team - awesome people, not like some brainwashed islamists. They hang out with everybody at the pub after game and drink beer. That's what I call assimilation into western culture:).
 
AKMVP said:
hey, I have 3 muslim teammates on my soccer team - awesome people, not like some brainwashed islamists. They hang out with everybody at the pub after game and drink beer. That's what I call assimilation into western culture:).
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So you're okay with Muslims, as long as they stop being Muslims.
 
GVC said:
How can a recent immigrant post about the failures of multiculturalism? ****, I've been hoping all those northern slavs would get the **** out of Canada...but that's not a winnable war.
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Because I did exactly what 90% of immigrants from islamic ( ad China and India here too) countries refuse to do. And that pisses me off. See Sweden example, did you hear anywhere about immigrants from Eastern Europe rioting? No, because most of them trying to integrate, to work hard, study and get a better life for themselves and their families. I needed to work at low level jobs and study for 2 years, pay 10.000$ for different exams and pass them before I could work as professional in Canada. I did not took a single dollar from Canadian welfare system. Yet look around, you will see muslim families with 5-6 kids who do not even speak English or French and live secluded life in their own small communities from our tax money and child care benefits. Are they useful to our economy? Are they trying to become Canadians? Hell no!
 
JimLes said:
So you're okay with Muslims, as long as they stop being Muslims.
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I am OK with Muslims ( or any other religions, nationalities, cultures, you name it) as long as they play by countries where they live rules and not trying to change it to fit their own needs. They moved here and gave up on their own country. It comes with cost. They can't expect to move to Canada, USA, Sweden or UK and create mini Arabia there.
 
AKMVP said:
I am OK with Muslims ( or any other religions, nationalities, cultures, you name it) as long as they play by countries where they live rules and not trying to change it to fit their own needs. They moved here and gave up on their own country. It comes with cost. They can't expect to move to Canada, USA, Sweden or UK and create mini Arabia there.
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Why not? As a Canadian citizen, I have the right to peacefully advocate for changes to our laws. Hell, I did. 8 years ago, I was quite active in the Marriage Equality movement. I was also active in the movement to ban smoking in public places in Calgary. Or is it only bad when it's Muslims?
 
JimLes said:
Why not? As a Canadian citizen, I have the right to peacefully advocate for changes to our laws. Hell, I did. 8 years ago, I was quite active in the Marriage Equality movement. I was also active in the movement to ban smoking in public places in Calgary. Or is it only bad when it's Muslims?
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As a Canadian citizen I have right to peacefully advocate for protection of our laws and against changes as well;). Did you vote for Nenshi by the way?
 
JimLes said:
Or is it only bad when it's Muslims?
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It does not matter Muslims, Hindu, Mormons or Pagans. If it affects local people in negative way it should not be happening. What if I would follow my ancestors religion of Paganism and request to perform my rituals naked at night in front of the fire in the middle of Nose Hill park? I bet my religious rights would be ignored and I would be charged for exposure. But try to tell Muslims or Hindu that they can't wear full body armor when swimming in public pool, they will start crying racism immediately.
 
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