So I want to talk about the Mormons

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The problem with this arguement is that it comes from you. You are the one that tried to minimize or discredit my views onr acism because I am white. I never tried to minimize or discredit your views on LDS persecution.

I have never told you what the cause of your persecution really was. I haven't told you how you need to change to reduce persecution. I haven't tried to blame you for others persecuting you and made you responsible for not impinging on their sensibilities with your religion. I never said you wouldn't have been beaten if you just tried harder. I didn't use pretend that the history of persecution of Mormons was unimportant to today. Instead, when you talked about how you were treated, I listened and accepted that the people in the wrong where the abusers.

I am glad that you have opened your eyes to what I was saying. Makes me want to foolishly believe there is hope for you yet, haha.

I am still holding out hope for you.

 

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OK, Franklin, I'll help you out. You mention Hebraisms in the Book of Mormon in your O.P. I also think that is a fascinating subject. Here's a list I compiled from a few different sources many years ago.

Which of these do not have equivalents in the King James Bible? Why would some of them (such as "women" instead of "wives") appear sporadically?

 

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Then explain that in better detail. If you don't then people will continue to misunderstand you.

Weird how assuming creates misunderstanding.

 

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Weird how assuming creates misunderstanding.

If every time you posted you said everything the reader needed to know to comprehend you each post would be a few hundred pages long. We HAVE to make assumptions about what you're talking about. The only way to dispel them is to clear up the one's it's reasonable to assume people will make incorrectly.

 

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I have never told you what the cause of your persecution really was. I haven't told you how you need to change to reduce persecution. I haven't tried to blame you for others persecuting you and made you responsible for not impinging on their sensibilities with your religion. I never said you wouldn't have been beaten if you just tried harder. I didn't use pretend that the history of persecution of Mormons was unimportant to today. Instead, when you talked about how you were treated, I listened and accepted that the people in the wrong where the abusers.



I am still holding out hope for you.

And yet you lessened my view point because I am not black. Regardless of how I was treated I am responsible for how I react. If I react in a way that further seperates us then I have some blame as well.

 

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Weird how assuming creates misunderstanding.

Or you could post in a way that will not logically lead to these assumptions. If you are not willing to truly explain your point of view beyond some condescending remark then I do not feel guilty for slapping you down.

If you want true discourse and dialouge then perhaps your should contribute to it.

 

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If every time you posted you said everything the reader needed to know to comprehend you each post would be a few hundred pages long. We HAVE to make assumptions about what you're talking about. The only way to dispel them is to clear up the one's it's reasonable to assume people will make incorrectly.

Ya, I just wish there was a way to find out about a point of view instead of the guessing game we all have to play. Oh wait, there is a way. It's called asking questions instead of assmegging the whole thread up with your assumptions.

 

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Ya, I just wish there was a way to find out about a point of view instead of the guessing game we all have to play. Oh wait, there is a way. It's called asking questions instead of assmegging the whole thread up with your assumptions.

Heaven forbid you act like anything other then some self righteous clown. The majority of people here were providing honest discussion. You failed to, not the rest of us.

 

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Ya, I just wish there was a way to find out about a point of view instead of the guessing game we all have to play. Oh wait, there is a way. It's called asking questions instead of assmegging the whole thread up with your assumptions.

Okay, let's try it then.

When you said "Ya" did you really mean "yes" or "yeah"

When you said "wish" you meant that figuratively, right? You didn't actually perform some act that constitutes a wish?

What guessing game do we all have to play? I wasn't invited...

What's "assmegging?"

Are you referring to assumptions I made? Which ones?

This is good. I was tired of assmegging up everything. I't s gonna take a lot longer and be far less enjoyable, but at least I won't have to call upon my life experiences and knowledge to understand what people are saying, I'll just ask them.

 

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Which of these do not have equivalents in the King James Bible?

From what I could tell via some searching just now, most are found in the King James as well. Not too surprising, since the KJV is also translated from Hebrew (Old Testament, anyway). You're probably implying that Joseph Smith could have incorporated them all simply by imitating the style of the KIV. Seems rather unlikely to me, particularly since some of them weren't even known/recognized in Joseph's day so he would have had to do it subconsciously. Possible, but highly unlikely to be doable by someone who "could neither write nor dictate a coherent and well-worded letter" (his wife's words).

Why would some of them (such as "women" instead of "wives") appear sporadically?

Presumably because some times Joseph translated the words more literally than others.

 

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And yet you lessened my view point because I am not black.

Regarding religion, you have been on one side of the power dynamic, regarding race, you have been on the other side. Being a white Mormon is a very different experience from being a black Protestant. Also, I don't think of your point of view as lesser, just surrounded by the privilege that you refuse to acknowledge in degree and effect.

Regardless of how I was treated I am responsible for how I react. If I react in a way that further seperates us then I have some blame as well.

When people were checking your head for horns, would it have helped if you said the LDS were Christians just like they were?

 

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From what I could tell via some searching just now, most are found in the King James as well. Not too surprising, since the KJV is also translated from Hebrew (Old Testament, anyway). You're probably implying that Joseph Smith could have incorporated them all simply by imitating the style of the KIV. Seems rather unlikely to me, particularly since some of them weren't even known/recognized in Joseph's day so he would have had to do it subconsciously. Possible, but highly unlikely to be doable by someone who "could neither write nor dictate a coherent and well-worded letter" (his wife's words).

My understanding is the KJV would have been the Bible of the churches Smith attended. Even preachers tend to sound like the Bible they read from during sermons, more than they do in casual conversation. Just like in any other field, we hear a certain vocabulary and style in a certain context, and emulate it there. Occasionally, I even notice that I talk differently on buses, while teaching, while working, while gaming, etc. It wouldn't need to be "doable", it would be automatic.

Presumably because some times Joseph translated the words more literally than others.

I thought the translations were being provided supernaturally?