Lucas Nogueira to the Jazz at #14?

[colton]

people screaming this is a weak draft, whilst saying noguiera wasent a 1st rounder, months ago in the draft thread.

u probably shouldent go to that thread, those guys are idiots.

Noguiera has better tools than Tyson Chandler, if the draft is weak hows a player like that not gonna at-least go in the end of the lottery. doesn't add up

The first 5-10 picks are weak. The rest of the draft is looking pretty good.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Brazilians aren't exactly known for their toughness.

Cool xenophobia.

 

[The Thriller]

Cool xenophobia.

Huh?

Are euro big men typically soft or physical?

Are brazilians typically soft or physical? Varejao? Pansie. Araújo? Lol. Nene? Looks like he would be a tank but is more of a finesse big. Splitter? Soft. Barbosa? Soft.

It's not an irrational fear but of knowledge a out their culture, basketball players, and sports. You'll meet some insane athletes down there. But it's a completely different game. And Sorry, culture plays a big part in all of this.

Buyer beware on Lucas. You'll thank me later.

 

[colton]

In all seriousness, I had a dream last night where the Jazz picked Nogueira with the 21st pick.

(Of course, in the same dream they also picked some female player with the 14th pick, so maybe I'm not kicky after all.)

 

[Qman]

Buyer beware on Lucas.

Brazilians aren't exactly known for their toughness. And this kid isn't known for his motor. Dealing with the NBA size and physical play is completely different than his passion fruit and samba playing league that he is used to. The NBA playoffs have proven to me 1 thing... This jazz team literally only has 4 guys built for the NBA playoffs. Junkyard dog, favors, Hayward, and kanter. The rest of this team would wet the bed when going against motivated and physical beasts like griffin, big z, Duncan, Noah, hibbert, lebron, kg, etc.

This team has lacked physical players for a long time. Electing instead, to go with pretty boy finesse guys under Okur/boozer and Big Al/Millsap.

I think we might draft this kid thinking he will be a shot blocking enforcer and find ourselves a 7 foot pansie. I also strongly question his dedication. After he gets that first check will he "Fess out" just being happy that he has finally "made it" to the states?

If given the choice between Brazilian Dikembe and Withey, id really take a look at Withey. Loved his toughness and defensive intelligence. Dude won't ever be an all-star. but like maybe Asik or Gortat, will pull off so many key defensive plays and rebounds/tips that he will have a very long NBA career.

You realize that Nogueira is played in the Spanish ACB league last year? A league that is considered very physical and he is playing against grown men at 20. Nogueira may or may not be a 'soft' player but we don't know yet.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Are euro big men typically soft or physical?

As in Europe? Brazil in Europe?

Are brazilians typically soft or physical?

I'll let you shoot yourself in the face here.

Varejao?

"Overview: A Brazilian power forward who makes a living by outworking the opposition. Has decent size and good bulk. Isn’t a great athlete, but gets more out of what he has than almost any other player in the League.

From DraftExpress.com https://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2Ws9EiScI
https://www.draftexpress.com"

Araújo? Lol.

The only thing Araujo was uhh, 'good' at was being tough and working hard. Probably the worst example you could cite

Nene? Looks like he would be a tank but is more of a finesse big.

Not Araujo or Matt Harpring doesn't mean soft, and that's not a consequence of their nationality. How many American players that washout get labeled as "soft" because they're from the U.S.? Nene is effective as a basketball player largely because of his physicality even if he's not a great rebounder.

Splitter? Soft.

Not Araujo or Matt Harpring doesn't mean soft, and that's not a consequence of their nationality. How many American players that washout get labeled as "soft" because they're from the U.S.?

Barbosa? Soft.

Not Araujo or Matt Harpring doesn't mean soft, and that's not a consequence of their nationality. How many American players that washout get labeled as "soft" because they're from the U.S.?

Buyer beware on Lucas. You'll thank me later.

I don't like him. You've again shown your inability to make an argument that reflects any level of nuance, thoughtfulness, or attention to facts (the fact that I've never once said I like Noguiera and that I'm not even defending him, for one). I've never heard a particularly positive thing about him as a basketball player, but I'm not about to make the retarded argument that his nationality defines who he is as a person and a basketball player.

 

[NUMBERICA]

You realize that Nogueira is played in the Spanish ACB league last year? A league that is considered very physical and he is playing against grown men at 20. Nogueira may or may not be a 'soft' player but we don't know yet.

You heard the man. Europeans are lazy and Rafa was/is a bad basketball player, ergo all Brazilians are the softest losers to ever exist. You'll thank me later.

 

[The Thriller]

sigh...

As in Europe? Brazil in Europe?

I don't know. Show me a map. Is Brazil in Asia? Europe? Help me out.

I was using a generalization. Which, hate to break your PC talk, have the tendency to be true. Euro bigs? Skilled but soft. Brazilians basketball players? Tend to Soft and have the tendency to be "happy" to have finally made it to the States.

I'll let you shoot yourself in the face here.

Ooookay. Do it man!

"Overview: A Brazilian power forward who makes a living by outworking the opposition. Has decent size and good bulk. Isn’t a great athlete, but gets more out of what he has than almost any other player in the League.

From DraftExpress.com https://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2Ws9EiScI
https://www.draftexpress.com"

Well, if draftexpress says it it must be true!

The only thing Araujo was uhh, 'good' at was being tough and working hard. Probably the worst example you could cite

I was citing the entire population of Brazilian players that have been in the NBA. Sooooooo I'm not sure how you can reject my hypothesis here when the vast majority supports it. If anything, Araujo is the outlier. True, Lucas could be in the minority here. But like I said, Buyer Beware. I'm not down with rolling the dice here. Lets go with something solid. I don't care if it is a career backup.

I've never heard a particularly positive thing about him as a basketball player, but I'm not about to make the retarded argument that his nationality defines who he is as a person and a basketball player.

Yep. Because that's exactly what I've been saying. All Brazilians are lazy and soft. Hence, why they're NOT protesting the Olympics and World Cup. Cuz they're soft and lazy and don't care about anything other than Samba.

 

[crater77]

Sign me up. With Kanter/Favors/Bebe and Evans no one will be able to score at the rim. Swat Lake City gets even Swatier!

 

[NUMBERICA]

Yep. Because that's exactly what I've been saying. All Brazilians are lazy and soft. Hence, why they're NOT protesting the Olympics and World Cup. Cuz they're soft and lazy and don't care about anything other than Samba.

Yeah, that's pretty much what you've been saying. Glad we agree.

 

[The Thriller]

Yeah, that's pretty much what you've been saying. Glad we agree.

I'm so glad that you could clarify what I was saying. What would we do without you?