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Report: Jazz to let Jefferson Walk. Milsap & Watson got into it with Ty Corbin last season

Mr. McGibblets said:
Sign and trades are not pointless from a player's POV under the new CBA. Players can only get 5 year deals with 7.5% raises with the team holding their Bird rights. Otherwise, they can only sign 4 year deals with 4.5% raises for deals with a new team.

https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one
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• 2011 CBA: Five years with 7.5 percent raises for Bird free agents; four years with 4.5 percent raises for other players (including all sign-and-trade transactions). The maximum salaries are the same as the 2005 CBA, except players coming off their rookie scale contracts qualify for the 30 percent maximum if they meet certain criteria. Minimum and rookie scale salaries are frozen near their 2010-11 levels until revenues rise enough that the reduction is proportional to the 12 percent reduction in the overall system.

https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one
 
NUMBERICA said:
The new CBA is hardly a departure from the one previous to it. There is a niche for sign-and-trades, but you still need three parties to sign off to it when two parties is usually impossible enough.

I still think a deal finished in principle revolving around Kendrick Perkins and picks/rookie-scale players for Al Jefferson (S/T) makes a lot of sense for everybody.
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The new CBA is a signicant departure:

• 2005 CBA: Six years with 10.5 percent raises for Bird free agents; five years with 8 percent raises for other players. Maximum salaries are approximately 25, 30 or 35 percent of the salary cap, depending on the player's years of service.

• 2011 CBA: Five years with 7.5 percent raises for Bird free agents; four years with 4.5 percent raises for other players (including all sign-and-trade transactions). The maximum salaries are the same as the 2005 CBA, except players coming off their rookie scale contracts qualify for the 30 percent maximum if they meet certain criteria. Minimum and rookie scale salaries are frozen near their 2010-11 levels until revenues rise enough that the reduction is proportional to the 12 percent reduction in the overall system.
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https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one

Note: That previously a player with Bird rights could have been signed for 6 years with 10.5% increases. (See Rashard Lewis trade)

Under new agreeement any free agent could over get a 4 year deal with 4.5% increases as a free agent or in a Sign and Trade. If the agent resigns with his own team he can get 5 years 7.5% raises. This is Dwight Howard's choice.


Now a sign and trade of Perkins for Jefferson does make sense if Al wants to go to OKC. I wonder at what price OKC would be will to pay Jefferson though.
 
91. Why would teams or players want to do a sign-and-trade?
Teams benefit because they can get something in return for players they would otherwise lose to free agency. For players the benefits are limited. Under previous CBAs a player who qualified could receive a full Bird contract and go to the team of his choice, which encouraged the player to seek a sign-and-trade once he decided to play elsewhere. Under the current CBA a player receives the same contract via sign-and-trade (four years, 4.5% raises) that he could get by signing with his new team directly, and can receive a larger Bird contract only if he stays with his previous team. In addition, it is much simpler for the player to sign directly with his new team, as a sign-and-trade has to be agreed to by three parties rather than two. A player is really only forced to seek a sign-and-trade if he wants to go to a team that is capped-out (or doesn't have enough cap room to give the player his full starting salary) and can't sign him directly.

Another factor encouraging a player not to seek a sign-and-trade is that his new team might be weakened by losing players or draft picks in the trade. So while a sign-and-trade is a useful tool when the team does not have the cap room to sign the player directly, the player and his new team have little reason to seek a sign-and-trade when the player can be signed without involving his previous team.
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https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q91

I find Larry Coon's FAQ simplier to understand.
 
Julie Greengiant said:
What does this have to do with affirmative action
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Nothing except that there are a few Jazz fans who can't stand the fact that Ty is black. Some fans have a double standard when judging a coach or player, I guess Thriller forgot that Sloan fought with many of his players.
 
For the vast majority of transactions, no, the new CBA doesn't make much of an impact. Most of the new regulations apply to teams over the LT and/or max (or close to) players. I suppose you could make the argument that Al is a max-ish player, but I wouldn't and I doubt most teams would.

The hardest and most significant part of sign-and-trades has been and continues to be getting three parties to sign off on them.
 
DutchJazzer said:
millsap has no problem with being benched.
he has a problem with alfense on both ends of the court.
dont create/enforce stupid rumors
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Ok boss. THere is nothing stupid about it. I remember Millsap saying he was a starter. Did you get your opinion from MIllsap or our you just creating a stupid rumor about him not liking the offense run through AJ?
 
cowhide said:
Ok boss. THere is nothing stupid about it. I remember Millsap saying he was a starter. Did you get your opinion from MIllsap or our you just creating a stupid rumor about him not liking the offense run through AJ?
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I remember something similar but it may have been along the lines of him saying he preferred to start. I'm sure there are other articles besides this one that address the starter vs. backup role:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...orried-about-finishes-than-starts.html?pg=all
 
mellow said:
Well I was in a rush, and kind of lept to Burks without filling in. Let me explain:

A post game interview with Watson just before All-star break . They asked him about Alec Burks recent good play. Watsons comments were something to the effect of "I told him to keep playing his games the way he knew how to play and don't let everyone tell him how he should play or try to hold him back." Continuing he said "I knew he could play given a chance"

If you remember Burks was not playing alot to start the season. The quietly spoken explanation was that he wasn't taking coaching or wasn't doing what Corbin wanted him to do. Then all of a sudden he bursts on the scene just before the break when everyone is injured. At the same time there are rumours of the Jazz trading Burks to Minny for Luke Ridinour and somewhere in there is Watson saying he told Burks to stop listening to people (coaches?) who were telling him how to play. And then Watson again at locker clean out saying that there were players who would leave the Jazz and have fabulous careers and people would be suprised by how great they were.
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You're making a whole lot of leaps in logic based on a few snippets and Ridnour-for-Burks RUMOR (that everyone here knew was b.s.).

But cool story, bro.
 
GVC said:
Misremember? Pretty sure he never said that.
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He said it and we had one hundred threads with the typical insinuating to death over nothing. The media asked him every which way possible if he thought he should come of the bench. Millsap would only answer "I'm a starter" several times.

We boiled it down to good on him for having a fighting mentality.
 
Core4 said:
HR manager at my previous job was like Corbin. His job was to piss off the employees the company wanted to let go, with the intent of having them quit vs. the company doing layoffs. Corbin is doing a helluva job in this respect. Jazz would be in an awkward position with some fans if they had Jefferson, Millsap, Foye, Mo, etc. talking about how badly they wanted to return to the team. Now, when they sign elsewhere, Lindsey and KOC can trot out that time-worn line about how the team wanted them back, but the players tested the market and got offers the Jazz thought were too high.
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And Corbin did what to p/o BA and Sap? Start them all season long, regardless of their output or better talent on the bench? Don't think so. Everything I heard for Ty was that he was huge fan of Big Al.
 
Fair enough, although it's worth noting that the quote was from before the 11/12 season. Millsap came off the bench the first two games of the season, playing quite well while the starters struggled.
 
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