Zimmerman/Martin Jury

[Deleted member 848]

^^^ I agree, 32% of black males will go to jail once in their life, compared to 17% of hispanic males, and 6% of white males.

It was funny when Rachel (Trayvon's girlfriend) was testifying how Trayvon was yelling "this cracker is following me", there is a double standard. Black people can call white people cracker and nobody blinks, but Paula Deen gets fired for saying the n-word.

Because there is centuries of revolting connotations that are tied with the N-word. Come on man, I hate to be OneBrow here but any idiot should understand the difference between the two.

 

[Nate505]

Wow, with what I have seen and by the letter of the law it is the right choice. Regardless of how you fell about it. Beyond a reasonable doubt...

I agree. Definitely reasonable doubt is there. I have it and I think Zimmerman was in the wrong in this.

 

[A-Train (old)]

Because there is centuries of revolting connotations that are tied with the N-word. Come on man, I hate to be OneBrow here but any idiot should understand the difference between the two.

Oh my bad, we should feel sorry for the black people and let them call us crackers because of all the years we did it to them. Back when nobody really cared about it and when whites were treated superior to blacks. Now that we are even it is alright for them to do it. I got you.

 

[trigg3r]

I really don't know too much about this, haven't really been paying attention, but people on twitter and facebook are already starting in with the "they don't care because Trayvon was black".

That's silly. The only reason this case went to trial is because of public and media pressure after the media presented a false narrative. I followed this trial quite a bit and IMO there was never enough evidence to convict if you stuck to the evidence(Maybe Kicky can weigh in on this and offer some personal opinions as well as legal). I don't think we hear about this case at all if Zimmerman doesn't have a gun and is beaten to death. The media jumped to conclusions IMO. This case should have never been brought to trial.

 

[LogGrad98]

^^^ I agree, 32% of black males will go to jail once in their life, compared to 17% of hispanic males, and 6% of white males.

It was funny when Rachel (Trayvon's girlfriend) was testifying how Trayvon was yelling "this cracker is following me", there is a double standard. Black people can call white people cracker and nobody blinks, but Paula Deen gets fired for saying the n-word.

Because there is centuries of revolting connotations that are tied with the N-word. Come on man, I hate to be OneBrow here but any idiot should understand the difference between the two.

To me the double-standard comes in their use of the same word. I play ball with a group of african-american folks (well mostly, there are a couple of us crackers there too) every other Saturday, and that word is almost becoming second nature to me. I don't use it, other than in -izzle form to sound cool, yo, but they do CONSTANTLY. Either it gets used or not, but this one way street thing is crap, if you ask me. Frankly I think making such a big deal of the N-word is what makes the N-word such a big deal. Until we can just let it go, and EVERYONE can let it go, it will always be considered a big deal and manufactured "big deals" like that actually hamper the progress of civil rights in America, IMHO.

 

[trigg3r]

I'm sad beyond words


not surprised, but sad


why did he have to get out of his car in the first place...
what was he thinking?
he got away with something, I'm just not sure what to call it

He's guilty of bad judgement. Beyond that, we don't know what exactly transpired that ultimately started the altercation that led to Martin's death. Zimmerman told his version of the events which the lead officer and others believed. We will never know Trayvon's side unfortunately. I don't see how you can convict him with the evidence that was available. Again though, I am thinking as one of the jurors. That's why Sirkicky would be a nice addition to this thread.

 

[trigg3r]

The evidence for racism in our justice system is there in the conviction rates and harshness of sentences. There is overwhelming statistical evidence for it. The ignorance that is out there is people being unwilling to listen to the evidence that is available.

I don't disagree. Obviously the wealthy and Caucasians are treated more favorably by studies... What does this have to do with this case? Zimmerman is a self described Hispanic male. The media sold this false narrative that he was a white man itching to shoot Trayvon Martin because he was black.

 

[A-Train (old)]

To me the double-standard comes in their use of the same word. I play ball with a group of african-american folks (well mostly, there are a couple of us crackers there too) every other Saturday, and that word is almost becoming second nature to me. I don't use it, other than in -izzle form to sound cool, yo, but they do CONSTANTLY. Either it gets used or not, but this one way street thing is crap, if you ask me. Frankly I think making such a big deal of the N-word is what makes the N-word such a big deal. Until we can just let it go, and EVERYONE can let it go, it will always be considered a big deal and manufactured "big deals" like that actually hamper the progress of civil rights in America, IMHO.

Wow, rep'd. You brought up a great point that I forgot to. The n-word is always used on the court when I play and when black people see eachother and I have seen white kids call other white kids that too.

 

[trigg3r]

Yup. It leaves me perplexed that someone can kill a kid who was truly up to no harm, until he tried to stand up for himself when he felt persecuted.

Zimmerman just never passed the eye/test with me. The dude seems like he has something wrong with him.


Well. I wonder how this all unfolds.

I don't agree Dal. We don't have an eyewitness right now who can tell us who threw the first punch or who attacked who. One of the witnesses testified that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and thrust downward with his arms. Zimmerman claims he was slamming his head in the sidewalk. All of this while Zimmerman was asking the witness to help him. The witness went and called the police. As for Zimmerman following Martin, that did happen to a point. Then he supposedly was walking back to his vehicle when Martin came behind him and confronted him.

All in all, there just wasn't enough evidence IMO to convict. That's JMO.

 

[LogGrad98]

I don't agree Dal. We don't have an eyewitness right now who can tell us who threw the first punch or who attacked who. One of the witnesses testified that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and thrust downward with his arms. Zimmerman claims he was slamming his head in the sidewalk. All of this while Zimmerman was asking the witness to help him. The witness went and called the police. As for Zimmerman following Martin, that did happen to a point. Then he supposedly was walking back to his vehicle when Martin came behind him and confronted him.

All in all, there just wasn't enough evidence IMO to convict. That's JMO.

Well said. In a way this is like OJ. Not enough evidence to convict, and really no one knows what happened despite what "everyone" knows happened. It is another one that proves our legal system works, in that in the absence of damning evidence we do not wrongfully imprison someone. It is also one that proves that no legal system is perfect, in that he may have gotten away with murder.

Well, I guess it's high time we get cameras everywhere. Where the hell is the NSA anyway? Someone wake them up and tell them to stop dicking around with listening in on my dirty phone calls with my wife and start video taping everything everyone does.

 

[trigg3r]

Well said. In a way this is like OJ. Not enough evidence to convict, and really no one knows what happened despite what "everyone" knows happened. It is another one that proves our legal system works, in that in the absence of damning evidence we do not wrongfully imprison someone. It is also one that proves that no legal system is perfect, in that he may have gotten away with murder.

Well, I guess it's high time we get cameras everywhere. Where the hell is the NSA anyway? Someone wake them up and tell them to stop dicking around with listening in on my dirty phone calls with my wife and start video taping everything everyone does.

I would say OJ's case was a little easier to decide. He had one hell of a defense team also. The whole glove thing was a huge mistake by the prosecution. I believe it was said that he stopped taking his arthritis medicine and his hand ballooned up. Could be wrong.

 

[Beantown]

I hate the guy that tweeted this but I agree.

Trayvon was the 1 who's life was being threatened--by a guy w/ a gun chasing after him! Trayvon had the RIGHT 2 do ANYTHING 2 defend himself