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TBS is not far from the truth actually for Turkish economy is not really doing that bad!
It is due to strict austerity measure in public expenditures, that allowed this, and privatization that was relly kickstarted by a certain Kemal Dervish who is not an islamist at all.
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so screw politics and personal life of EK (except those party chicks. We may need more photos of those beauties )
 
illyasova said:
Turkey Economy depends on the money that comes from investors from the foreign countries who make investment on Turkish treasury bills with high income return and investors who make money from the exchange rates. The industrial growth is below the average except building constructions and tourism. Hiving off all public assets have been providing some money for the balance, but as all economists know it's just temporary solution. In last 10 years, the current accound deficit has reached the maximum level which means Turkey can not export well enough to survive but depends on all inport. For balancing the situation, PM Erdogan has made all stuff taxable such as cellular,internet, gas, petrol etc. Do you know Turkish people use the most expensive internet? or most expensive Petrol? Or one of the most expensive electric? And this is just the economy part, no need to mention about human rights, corruptions, press on the opposionists. He's just an ordinary type of guy who wanna make Turkish Republic and modern life to middle eastern type
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I don't know where you are getting this but Turkey's debt has gotten much lower according to this https://www.google.com/publicdata/e...y=gd_pc_gdp&hl=en&dl=en&idim=country:tr:de:uk
(Germany and United Kingdom also shown to show comparison). Perhaps I am reading the graph wrong which is possible.

Turkey's inflation rate really decreased.
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I don't see having foreign investors to be a negative as it helps develop the country and gets things going. If someone invests a lot of money into Turkey they obviously are going to try and make it succeed in order to collect profits on the investment,

It is not like Turkey is selling off its natural resources to provide a temporary boost to the economy, it is using money to invest develop its private and public sectors.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
I don't know where you are getting this but Turkey's debt has gotten much lower according to this https://www.google.com/publicdata/e...y=gd_pc_gdp&hl=en&dl=en&idim=country:tr:de:uk
(Germany and United Kingdom also shown to show comparison). Perhaps I am reading the graph wrong which is possible.

Turkey's inflation rate really decreased.
inflation-cpi-ppi-of-turkey.jpg


I don't see having foreign investors to be a negative as it helps develop the country and gets things going. If someone invests a lot of money into Turkey they obviously are going to try and make it succeed in order to collect profits on the investment,

It is not like Turkey is selling off its natural resources to provide a temporary boost to the economy, it is using money to invest develop its private and public sectors.
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He's getting there by telling the price of oil in Turkey which pretty much is the origin product for every other market pricing and the astronomic taxes that are constantly being put on the public's shoulders. Those taxes are the result of a bad economical situation drown in a big account deficit, an economy that is affected by the foreign investers' each fart and the investers that bail as soon as the **** even gets close to the fan, which in the last couple of months boosted the US Dollar from 1,80 to just above 2,00 Turkish Liras. And the economy is so dependant on inport means that every time that happens, the prices go really up opposing to the wages people earn. The poorness threshold in Turkey is high above the minimum wage it's like they're mocking the poor when they're announcing the poorness level. Therefore, the inflation numbers stated by the government are not reflecting the true inflation and expensive life many people are living.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
It is not like Turkey is selling off its natural resources to provide a temporary boost to the economy, it is using money to invest develop its private and public sectors.
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PM Erdogan sold all the government assets which are perfect profitable too low to his shareholders. It's really just seen in 3rd world countries, the depredation word is not enough to describe it. The telecom of the Turkey was sold nearly 6 bilion dollars for 25 years and guess what? In 2 years, the oger tour who got the all communication basics (Phone systems, Internet etc) earned this money in 2 years. So YOU GIVE THE PRESENT TO THE COMPANY AND SELL YOUR ALL COMMUNICATION BASICS FREE FOR 23 YEARS. Beside of telecom; The mining in Turkey, petrol and gases searching, all the highways, railways has been sold too low, that's why even though most of the privatization done too long ago, the judging process still continues (Sure if the judgement system in Turkey is independed and may decide without orders of Erdogan)

As you make objection about investors, you do not know about the economy. If your whole economy depends on the foreigner investors and income returns of your papers and not on your industry, this means you actually do not have freedom. In any financial crisis or any blackmail of big investors, you gotta do all their dirty works. The another source for Erdogan is irrational taxes on poor folk. Are you aware of Erdogan's tax system? He puts taxes over taxes and calls it luxuary taxes such as INTERNET AND CELLULAR. You think internet and cellular is luxuary in 2013? Erdogan thinks.

PS: Try to google wikileaks documents about Erdogan and Swiss Banks. He's one of the richiest person in the world. Guess how? His son has got 2 ships valued totally 16 milion dollars. And Erdogan says: So what? You work and buy anything you wanna bla bla bla... Really feel sad for you that Erdogan is your role model, hope once you search enough and become not biased one, you can understand that he's just dealer used by big countries who also uses the religion to persuade uneducated people.
 
heyhey said:
You do realize that the legacy of Che Guevara is poverty and suffering.
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You call it poverty and suffering, i call it honour,nobility and nonstop fight against imperialism. I also wonder if you think the same way as some American still think USA brought peace to Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria etc.
 
illyasova said:
You call it poverty and suffering, i call it honour,nobility and nonstop fight against imperialism. Name one country that is better off because Che brought his revolution there. I also wonder if you think the same way as some American still think USA brought peace to Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria etc.Nope
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I can think both suck.
 
With all due respect to Turkish posters and others interested in Turkey politics, religion and economy - this is Jazz forum... If you guys want to continue this very interesting debate I suggest to open new thread in general discussions thread. Everyday I check on new posts here to see what people have to say about Enes just to find some other interesting stuff.
 
AKMVP said:
With all due respect to Turkish posters and others interested in Turkey politics, religion and economy - this is Jazz forum... If you guys want to continue this very interesting debate I suggest to open new thread in general discussions thread. Everyday I check on new posts here to see what people have to say about Enes just to find some other interesting stuff.
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Only thing i agree with AKMVP
 
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