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For those of you doubting Gordon Hayward...

hey, paul george has a better 2k13 rating and will have a better 2k14

can we now close this thread?
 
AKMVP said:
Have I ever argued that Hayward is better shooter? My main argument was that people where trying to sell Hayward as better passer and that is simply not true. Even if you look at per 36min stats, usage rate, offensive system differences, etc - they are at least equal passers. And it is not given that extra 7 minutes Hayward would get will help him to get 1.1 assist more. George by the way averaged over 5 ast during last playoffs. How did Hayward performed during playoffs?
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In order for this arguement to have any value whatsoever you need to compare Hayward first, and so far only, playoff appearance to George's first playoff appearance. Using George's last years playoffs to Haywards first is intellectually dishonest.
 
Stoked said:
In order for this arguement to have any value whatsoever you need to compare Hayward first, and so far only, playoff appearance to George's first playoff appearance. Using George's last years playoffs to Haywards first is intellectually dishonest.
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Well, it wouldn't have mattered. Hayward shot 18% against the Spurs, and 8% from three....that makes Trey Burke's summer league numbers look like all star numbers :)
 
b_line said:
So you are admitting that you were wrong when you said George was clearly the better passer? Also, Hayward would have to get 8-9 more minutes per game to average the same as George, so he would likely get the 1.1 assists needed to match him. How does crow taste?
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No crow here. George is better passer - more assists per game and per 36minutes. It is you homers who reaching straws and trying to look into big AL factor, usage rate and other irrelevant stats.
And it is not easy to average over 4 assist per game even if you have more minutes. More minutes could mean more fatigue, less accuracy and more turnovers. So better indicator would be to look at per 29 minute stats or whatever Hayward played last year. Given same time George still averages 3.2 assists - 0.2 more then Hayward. Maybe not as clearly as per game stats indicate but still better is better.
 
AKMVP said:
No crow here. George is better passer - more assists per game and per 36minutes. It is you homers who reaching straws and trying to look into big AL factor, usage rate and other irrelevant stats.
And it is not easy to average over 4 assist per game even if you have more minutes. More minutes could mean more fatigue, less accuracy and more turnovers. So better indicator would be to look at per 29 minute stats or whatever Hayward played last year. Given same time George still averages 3.2 assists - 0.2 more then Hayward. Maybe not as clearly as per game stats indicate but still better is better.
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So does that make him clearly the better passer? They are basically the same. Factor in that Hayward has less turnovers and it skews Hayward's direction. Why then would you say that it was clear that George was a better passer then back up and say they are the same? Just admit, the numbers are pretty similar. No one here is saying that Hayward is better than George. All we are saying is that this "George is clearly better in all areas" crap is nonsense. Hayward is good. He will have a great season. He will probably end up with stats similar to Paul George. That is all I was saying.
 
Stoked said:
In order for this arguement to have any value whatsoever you need to compare Hayward first, and so far only, playoff appearance to George's first playoff appearance.
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I do not think it is fair either. Player A may appear in playoffs first time during his rookie year while Player B may appear in playoffs during his 5's year. Obviously player B will have better stats in his first every playoffs due to overall better experience in the league.
I know it does not apply to Hayward, just making a point here.
 
b_line said:
No one here is saying that Hayward is better than George.
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Well all argument started when Cyron said that George is better rebounder and defender, and in all other aspects Hayward is better. Which is not true.
 
AKMVP said:
At the end of the day it is impossible to have unbiased discussion here - I am out. Sorry, but to me George is All-star and future superstar while Hayward - decent starter, good role player. Until he proves otherwise you guys can call him god or better then George or whatever, as long as that makes you happy I guess.
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AKMVP said:
Never said he is clearly better in all areas. Hayward is better shooter. There is no argument here.
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So even though Hayward is a better shooter, he'll amount to nothing more than a good role player while George is destined to be a SUPERSTAR. Clearly, just based on averages, all Hayward needs to do is shoot more. Gordon also needs to call a meeting with Ty and Dennis. He is clearly not being given enough playing time, as George is averaging 8 mins more per game. In 8 mins, Gordon could easily score 3 more points and get 1 more assist. Granted, his rebounding will not be as good as George's. Then again, as a group, Utah's bigs were much more dominant on rebounds than Indiana's. Subtract Millsap and Jefferson and maybe Hayward will be asked to grab a few more boards than he has in the past.
 
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