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LDS general conference - Fall 2013

Some view the priesthood as much more a responsibility than a right or privilege.

I know this is kind of obtuse, but the young men in my ward are responsible for taking the garbage out of the building after meetings every Sunday. The young women, who outnumber the YM about 2 to 1, are never tasked with it. Not because they can't, but because they, as daughters of God, are above it.

Holding the Priesthood is ecclesiastic janitorial work.

I think the Priesthood is largely misunderstood - it's not magic and it's not authority over anyone else. It's simply a responsibility to serve God. It's extra work, and daughters of God are above it. There are no blessings available to Priesthood holders that aren't available to any and every faithful member.

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My personal belief with the trash is that it is an old traditional view of men and women's roles. The young men take out the trash and set chairs up/take them down while the young women do all of the babysitting at the adult functions. I personally would like to see these basic duties shared between the two groups. The YM need to learn how to take care of children, and it won't hurt the YW to help set up and take the trash out.
 
Come on colton, look at those death rates again and tell me there isn't a serious institutional bias problem with how the numbers are calculated? Do you really think there's not a problem with a system where gains are locked in forever and losses are assumed to absurdly low rates?

Sorry, I must have missed that. I didn't notice anything about death rates. Can you steer me to that again?

What do you think about the #congregations and #stakes point that I made earlier in the thread?
 
My personal belief with the trash is that it is an old traditional view of men and women's roles. The young men take out the trash and set chairs up/take them down while the young women do all of the babysitting at the adult functions. I personally would like to see these basic duties shared between the two groups. The YM need to learn how to take care of children, and it won't hurt the YW to help set up and take the trash out.



Actually the official church direction is that this duty is to be split between the HP and the EQ, except when offered as a service project by the young women or young men (they need service hours for their Faith in God award.)
 
Actually the official church direction is that this duty is to be split between the HP and the EQ, except when offered as a service project by the young women or young men (they need service hours for their Faith in God award.)

Faith in God is a primary program.
 
Gonna have to take your word for it. Sorry Lavar Burton.


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Not the USED tp. I believe that all paper products in the church use recycled materials. Also Deseret Industries is a pretty darn green concept.
 
Actually the official church direction is that this duty is to be split between the HP and the EQ, except when offered as a service project by the young women or young men (they need service hours for their Faith in God award.)

And I don't think I've ever seen the EQ or the HP take this duty on.
 
Nah, not going to blast you or anything. I think we can respectfully disagree.

The whole concept of sexism, to me, is inferring something about someone's inner characteristics based on their outer characteristics, and I feel the typical Mormon responses to women and the priesthood (and similar topics) are sexist under this definition. For instance, I often hear Mormons spout out ideas such as "men are more visual, women are more emotional" as if having a penis inherently makes me a less emotional/spiritual being. So, when you say that women are above the priesthood, I interpret it in a similar fashion--that, as a male, I'm less in some way? If women are "above it", then that means I'm "below" it? All because my body differs from that of a woman's?

I said I wasn't going to blast you, so I hope it doesn't sound like I am. But when I hear people make comments I view as sexist, I try to at least explain to them why I see it that way in the hope that maybe they'll see the sexism in their statements and change them, or that they'll be able to point out flaws in my own reasoning so I no longer have to feel offended by similar statements I hear in the future.

Fair enough. I can appreciate that. I think that perhaps using the term "above it" was not the best way to describe my thinking.

Ultimately, this is what it boils down to for me: I would be 100% on board if the church decided to give women the priesthood. Personally, I have no qualms about them having it. But, as it currently stands, it's not enough to shake my tree or cause me to denounce my church.

The fact of the matter is, there are a lot of things I don't understand, and a few things that I just plain disagree with. But there are many things I like, and have a positive impact on me and my family.
 
Not the USED tp. I believe that all paper products in the church use recycled materials. Also Deseret Industries is a pretty darn green concept.

I know that the TP is about 80 grit and so thin it dissolves in water. Ouch.
 
The former is everything I was taught growing up and I'm not even 30 yet. It doesn't really make sense to me that the supposed one true church - that has the ability to commune directly with god - revises it's own beliefs at a frankly staggering rate.

Not quite sure what you mean by that. Offhand, I can think of
1890ish - stopped polygamy
1978 - extended priesthood to blacks

Both of those were done by revelation (if you believe in that), or as a results of outside pressure (if you don't). Or maybe a little of both. But twice since the death of Joseph Smith in 1844 hardly qualifies as "a frankly staggering rate" to me.

But maybe you are thinking about other things.
 
And I don't think I've ever seen the EQ or the HP take this duty on.

I had to drag my flock to the church with me so that I could have the service opportunity of watching other peoples kids while the husband was home.

My battle with cynicism continues.
 
My personal belief with the trash is that it is an old traditional view of men and women's roles. The young men take out the trash and set chairs up/take them down while the young women do all of the babysitting at the adult functions. I personally would like to see these basic duties shared between the two groups. The YM need to learn how to take care of children, and it won't hurt the YW to help set up and take the trash out.

In my ward, when the RS/EQ have a function, the YM/YW usually provide a babysitting service. Both are involved, and frequently more YM show up than YW.
 
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