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That Evans - Pippen comp is the funniest thing on this site in a long time. What a giant whiffff.

 

[Park Bites]

You honestly think this?

I am looking at the emulating. I wan Jeremy to emulate Pippen. he needs to pass, rebound play defense, hit jumpers. not saying he will become. I just want him to become more rounded.

 

[Park Bites]

That Evans - Pippen comp is the funniest thing on this site in a long time. What a giant whiffff.

it wasn't a comp. the OP said who should the players emulate not become.

 

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I am looking at the emulating. I wan Jeremy to emulate Pippen. he needs to pass, rebound play defense, hit jumpers. not saying he will become. I just want him to become more rounded.

Ok.


Maybe he should demonstrate some ball-handling skills before you get your hopes up?

 

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it wasn't a comp. the OP said who should the players emulate not become.

So you just breezed past the "realistic targets" part of the OP?

 

[Park Bites]

So you just breezed past the "realistic targets" part of the OP?

must have missed that but all mine are who the players should emulate.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I am looking at the emulating. I wan Jeremy to emulate Pippen. he needs to pass, rebound play defense, hit jumpers. not saying he will become. I just want him to become more rounded.

He needs to have those skills and more before he can even think about emulating Pippen. Not exactly realistic. There's no need to get bent out of shape, just my opinion.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

What's the go'damn deal with the elephant when ever someone is being quoted??

 

[Stoked]

What's the go'damn deal with the elephant when ever someone is being quoted??

What?

 

[Deleted member 848]

When did Isaiah Thomas comps become a mantra of the groupthink? Sometime this week?

Comparisons? Which group of people is comparing him to Burke?

 

[Deleted member 848]

The OP doesn't stop at emulation. It also states that these comparisons should be "realistic targets."

I dunno. Usually when I 'emulate', I would attempt to emulate one of the greats.

Seems like a weird question

 

[b_line]

Favors- Duncan
Kanter- Chris webber/Kevin mchale
Hayward- Larry bird
Burks- Dwayne wade
Burke- Derrick rose

These are who I would like the players to emulate, as well as who I see their games being more similar to. And don't get a uppity and say that I think we have five future hof guys, but if they get to 75% of where these guys were, we have a great team.

 

[franklin]

 

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I dunno. Usually when I 'emulate', I would attempt to emulate one of the greats.

Seems like a weird question

It's weird to ask a third party who player X should emulate because he has a realistic shot of becoming a similar player?


Maybe. But it isn't more strange than most other exercises in comparison.

 

[b_line]

He would have to work on getting shorter...

But seriously though, a taller Nate would be a pretty sick player.

 

[sirkickyass]

I picture Favors as more of a Shawn Kemp type player. He is not as "bullish" as Moses was, and he is more athletic. If he could be a Kemp with a stronger inside game and better size (and more mentally stable) that would be something.

That's not bad. When I was going through I was trying to find players that were of similar body-shapes and types (i.e. within an inch or two and close in weight). Favors, it turns out, does not have a lot of comparisons. Moses is actually almost exactly the same height/weight. Shawn Kemp's listed playing weight in his Seattle days is almost 30 pounds(!) lighter. Moses is a player that was unique in part because he just looked different that everyone else of his era. That's essentially what sets guys like Dwight Howard apart from his peers today. In a group of world-class athletes, they stand out to the naked eye. Favors is beastly on face. I want him to unleash that beast.

And yes, I understand this is a weird exercise but I think it's interesting nonetheless.

 

[sirkickyass]

Yeah-- no way are Hayward and Harpring similar.

I'm looking at a pretty specific Harpring season.

And they're closer than you think in terms of what they should be capable of.

Hayward is listed at 6'8" and 215 pounds.

Harpring was listed at 6'7" and 225 pounds.

We all know that Hayward keeps trying to put on weight, bu it's hard to find a closer body comp. match than that.

The season before he ruined his legs (I understand you're a baby and don't really remember pre-injury Harp that well), Harp was honestly a borderline All-Star candidate. He finished with a line of 17.6 ppg, 6.6rpg, 1.7 apg, a steal a game and some eye-popping shooting percentages of 51.1% on FGs and 41.3% from three (and he was taking more than 2 threes a game). I think that's a line we'd all be relatively happy to see Hayward produce.

Hayward is more talented than Harpring was, but lacks some of the components to his game that Harp possessed. I'm merely saying that the portions of Harp's game that made him useful after he lost a lot of his athleticism are things that I'd like to see Hayward add. Obviously I don't want to hear about his football background or see him miss an astounding number of layups though. I had enough of that for one lifetime.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I'm looking at a pretty specific Harpring season.

And they're closer than you think in terms of what they should be capable of.

What, being fringe-allstars? I never said that they aren't. Then again, your point is about as powerful as saying that Hayward is pretty close to Josh Smith.

Hayward is listed at 6'8" and 215 pounds.

Harpring was listed at 6'7" and 225 pounds.

We all know that Hayward keeps trying to put on weight, bu it's hard to find a closer body comp. match than that.

Why does it have to be a white-dude who had the facilitating capabilities of Smush Parker? Even Mike Miller is a better comp (as far as white dudes are concerned) than Matt Harpring. What about Josh Howard? Richard Jefferson started off at 6'7" and 222. Grant Hill was 6'8 and 225 as well-- and a pre-prime Grant is pretty much Gordon's ceiling IMO. Not hard to find a closer body-comp AT ALL.

The season before he ruined his legs (I understand you're a baby and don't really remember pre-injury Harp that well), Harp was honestly a borderline All-Star candidate.

Put the condescending ******** away. What the **** do you know about Moses Malone, with this logic? Nothing I have said has assaulted Harpring the player. Obviously he put up fringe all-star numbers.

He finished with a line of 17.6 ppg, 6.6rpg, 1.7 apg, a steal a game and some eye-popping shooting percentages of 51.1% on FGs and 41.3% from three (and he was taking more than 2 threes a game). I think that's a line we'd all be relatively happy to see Hayward produce.

I would be absolutely furious with 1.7 APG, seeing as Al Jefferson averaged more assists in all three of his seasons with the Jazz. Particularly seeing as we will be running our offense through Hayward for most of the season, by all accounts of the coaching staff. We don't need Hayward hitting 20ppg. If Hayward averaged 1.7 APG, we will not get past 18 wins this season.

Hayward is more talented than Harpring was, but lacks some of the components to his game that Harp possessed. I'm merely saying that the portions of Harp's game that made him useful after he lost a lot of his athleticism are things that I'd like to see Hayward add. Obviously I don't want to hear about his football background or see him miss an astounding number of layups though. I had enough of that for one lifetime.

This is fair. I definitely want Hayward averaging a better FG%. I'm far less-concerned about his rebounds, seeing as we have a plethora of capable rebounders on this roster.

I just think that there are much better players that Hayward should emulate-- even those that aren't too lofty. A post-game is definitely important-- but how about he implements some of Manu's game into his own? I think emulating Manu makes much more sense with where our team is headed. Every player in the NBA could probably take a couple things from Matt's game, but it doesn't meant that he should be the #1 choice of emulation.


Which comes back to my initial point. Harpring and Hayward only share (somewhat) of a similarity in height/weight, and skin colour. The differences are essentially drastic after that.

 

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Actually, the strangest thing about this thread is why Kicky decided to go all Archieeenickkk and start a discussion with nothing but repetitive/(comedic?) value. I mean, how many ****ing times have we talked about this?

 

[Deleted member 848]

Actually, the strangest thing about this thread is why Kicky decided to go all Archieeenickkk and start a discussion with nothing but repetitive/(comedic?) value. I mean, how many ****ing times have we talked about this?

How is that strange? He has been extremely inconsistent lately-- particularly in the Jazz forum. I cannot think of the last time he talked basketball @ Jazzfanz. Not repetitive or comedic. It's an interesting discussion.