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Racism and privilege

One Brow said:
What effect would either answer have on your interpretation of my posts?
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In regards to every other thread on Jazzfanz, none at all.

In regards to this one, are you serious? You have accused everyone on here as being incapable of looking past their own racial biases and personal experiences. I think if you are going to make this claim it is only fair that we should examine your biases as well.

I would guess that you are white, because I have never had a black person try and guilt me simply for being white. White folks do it all the time though.
 
Stoked said:
Well since you have said that a white person cannot understand or speak for a non white on racism...if you are not white it means you cannot speak for or understand a white person on racism.
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Well, I'm not trying to speak for any given group, just myself. I'm speaking about cognitive biases, their inevitability in every human, and how that plays out in a culture that is racist in some very fundamental ways.

As for understanding, I find it hard to believe you don't appreciate the difference. The media is dominated by the points of views of white people, the school books are written by and for points of views from white people, etc. If you live in the USA, the points of views of white people are an inescapable part of the cultural background. Since all these points of views benefit from privilege, and few are self-aware enough to so acknowledge, that means they are steeped in white privilege as well. By contrast, minority (and female) points of view are rarer, less well-broadcast, and less seen. You are creating a false equivalence.
 
heyhey said:
In regards to this one, are you serious? You have accused everyone on here as being incapable of looking past their own racial biases and personal experiences. I think if you are going to make this claim it is only fair that we should examine your biases as well.
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What about being white or black would change my cognitive biases? Are you under the impression that black people don't share in the same racist biases that white people share in?

heyhey said:
I would guess that you are white, because I have never had a black person try and guilt me simply for being white. White folks do it all the time though.
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As I said earlier, your feeling guilty is irrelevant, unless it motivates change.

Would that be because the black people you know don't agree on these topics, because they don't know you well enough to discuss them, because they don't feel free to treat you as an equal, something else?
 
One Brow said:
Well, I'm not trying to speak for any given group, just myself. I'm speaking about cognitive biases, their inevitability in every human, and how that plays out in a culture that is racist in some very fundamental ways.

As for understanding, I find it hard to believe you don't appreciate the difference. The media is dominated by the points of views of white people, the school books are written by and for points of views from white people, etc. If you live in the USA, the points of views of white people are an inescapable part of the cultural background. Since all these points of views benefit from privilege, and few are self-aware enough to so acknowledge, that means they are steeped in white privilege as well. By contrast, minority (and female) points of view are rarer, less well-broadcast, and less seen. You are creating a false equivalence.
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No as far as I can tell you're trying to speak for me, and stoked, and Log, and Moe, and I'm pretty sure you put words into Gfs mouth as well.

Are you going to continue to dodge the question?
 
One Brow said:
What about being white or black would change my cognitive biases? Are you under the impression that black people don't share in the same racist biases that white people share in?



As I said earlier, your feeling guilty is irrelevant, unless it motivates change.

Would that be because the black people you know don't agree on these topics, because they don't know you well enough to discuss them, because they don't feel free to treat you as an equal, something else?
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I don't feel quilty for being white. Like I said before, I Like social justice and try to be proactive.

I am also for Gay marriage. Is that motivated by my straight guilt?
 
Stoked said:
Wait...

what? Forget to log out and back in?
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What

You mean when I purposely posted a ridiculous acronym that was unintelligible for all but the most astute cryptanalysts(yes I googled that) and then quoted myself to clarify all for the sake of beating an acronym dead horse into the ground.

you got me

I must be an alt
 
heyhey said:
What

You mean when I purposely posted a ridiculous acronym that was unintelligible for all but the most astute cryptanalysts(yes I googled that) and then quoted myself to clarify all for the sake of beating an acronym dead horse into the ground.

you got me

I must be an alt
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I'm not busting you on anything. I am simply asking. Is that what happened? AFter this post it appears not. I simply didn't understand the tone of the post. It happens.
 
bordelais7 said:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

I just scrolled through these fallacies. Pretty safe to say One Brow has achieved black belt in just about all of them.
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I doubt you meant this seriously, but I'll respond just in case.

That's an interesting interpretation. When people are asking me if I'm racist, I'm acknowledging that I am, because it's unavoidable as a human raised in a racist culture. When people are saying they are not racist, I'm saying that they are humans raised in a racist culture, and it's unavoidable as humans raised in a racist culture. In what way is that tu quoque, which is a method of avoiding acknowledging a fault?
 
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