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GAME THREAD: 12/9/13, Blazers at Jazz, 7 pm local

Darkwing Duck said:
Sure. As I mentioned, I was surprised Jefferson got the whole 4th quarter. Corbin gets caught in the 121 substitution pattern too easily and seems unwilling to break from it
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So we are in agreement then..... corbin screwed up
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Burks was -9 in 24 minutes...
Jefferson was -12 in 15 minutes ON the bench.

Jefferson on the court and not Burks in the fourth was not why the Jazz lost the game. Other reasons cost the Jazz the game. Whether Burks SHOULD be on the floor and not Jefferson is definitely up for debate and for the future of the Jazz, but for this one game, it wasn't the issue.
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I've never put much stock in the +/- statistic(although I'm sure it's useful when trying to compare how well a guy plays with certain lineups). You shouldn't use it to compare players or to make blanket statements about them. Harris had a +4 and Lilard had a -2. Harris is lucky not to be in the D-league and lilard may make the All star team.
 
heyhey said:
I've never put much stock in the +/- statistic(although I'm sure it's useful when trying to compare how well a guy plays with certain lineups). You shouldn't use it to compare players or to make blanket statements about them. Harris had a +4 and Lilard had a -2. Harris is lucky not to be in the D-league and lilard may make the All star team.
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Sure. I'd put more stock into on off +/- than just court +/-. Team was -9 with Burks on court and -2 with him off in the same minutes. Jefferson had a stark difference of 13, +1 on and -12 off.
 
oldtimer said:
I will never be as good as you and darkwing at typing on a message board. I try to type as fast as possible while watching the game. It doesn't always turn out the best. Thank god you and Darkwing are there to point out the flaws. Idiots. Why always attack other posters instead of just letting these meaningless mistakes go by the wayside. You would rather makes someone feel stupid is why. When you both get older you will realize that whether someone types Aldrich when he means Aldridge doesn't matter. You more of a jerk to point it out than just let it go.
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The nine sentences you scribed in hateful defense of my five word quip spoke less of a wise and seasoned adult and more of a trembling teen backed into a victimized corner. The length of said response suggests you have more invested in "message boards" than I, yet feel the need to devalue the use of peer to peer connection; even if such is intended to promote the standards of literacy, etiquette, and thoughtfulness. Keep feeling the pressure on your back there gramps, even if it is autogenic.
 
jope said:
The nine sentences you scribed in hateful defense of my five word quip spoke less of a wise and seasoned adult and more of a trembling teen backed into a victimized corner. The length of said response suggests you have more invested in "message boards" than I, yet feel the need to devalue the use of peer to peer connection; even if such is intended to promote the standards of literacy, etiquette, and thoughtfulness. Keep feeling the pressure on your back there gramps, even if it is autogenic.
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Can we keep the word vomit to a minimum? Jesus christ. That is some well that out garbage I'll give you that.
 
It's games like this that make me hate Ty Corbin as a coach more than ever.

But then I have to remember that this season, Dennis Lindsey needs Corbin to drive his tank.

So tank on, Ty.
 
Burks isn't a great defensive player by any stretch, but Jefferson...he's ****ing terrible. Dude ball watches like nobody's ****ing business. The Jazz are thin on the wing, so he'll get his minutes, but there's no reason he should be getting more than Burks (although this depends somewhat on what's happening off the court/in practice, I suppose).


Also, Kanter still isn't boxing out. What the ****? He just refuses to put his body between his man and the basket, choosing instead to try to push players with his arms, putting himself out of position to grab rebounds AND allowing the opposition to get wherever they want. Can anyone offer an explanation? Very confusing.
 
GVC said:
Burks isn't a great defensive player by any stretch, but Jefferson...he's ****ing terrible. Dude ball watches like nobody's ****ing business. The Jazz are thin on the wing, so he'll get his minutes, but there's no reason he should be getting more than Burks (although this depends somewhat on what's happening off the court/in practice, I suppose).


Also, Kanter still isn't boxing out. What the ****? He just refuses to put his body between his man and the basket, choosing instead to try to push players with his arms, putting himself out of position to grab rebounds AND allowing the opposition to get wherever they want. Can anyone offer an explanation? Very confusing.
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He hurt his shoulder last year...

Seems to be the excuse that everyone uses when trying to defend kanter.

Doesn't move his feet on defense? Bad shoulder.
Terrible moving screen? Shoulder injury.
Doesn't pass out of a triple team? Still hasn't recovered from shoulder surgery.
Doesn't... Refuses to box out? Ummm have I mentioned his shoulder injury?
 
The Thriller said:
He hurt his shoulder last year...

Seems to be the excuse that everyone uses when trying to defend kanter.

Doesn't move his feet on defense? Bad shoulder.
Terrible moving screen? Shoulder injury.
Doesn't pass out of a triple team? Still hasn't recovered from shoulder surgery.
Doesn't... Refuses to box out? Ummm have I mentioned his shoulder injury?
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He's done a better job addressing the second and third items on your list (although the third is probably mostly due to not getting post touches). I'd even argue he moves his feet plenty on defense, just sometimes in the wrong direction (over helping, generally). The rebounds are a head scratcher. The shot goes up, and Enes does a decent job finding his man and putting a hand on him. Then, instead of turning his *** around, getting between his man and the basket and into good rebounding position, he just pushes at the dude with his arms, facing away from the basket. If the rebound goes in some other direction, it works just fine (for the most part), but if the rebound goes toward Enes, his man is now in a better position to grab the rebound (closer to the basket) AND Enes has his back to the rebound, making it virtually impossible for him to grab the defensive board. I've actually seen both Derrick Favors and Jeremy Evans do this on a few occasions as well, which is weird. Does anyone have an explanation? Isn't boxing out simple? Am I missing something?
 
The Thriller said:
He hurt his shoulder last year...

Seems to be the excuse that everyone uses when trying to defend kanter.

Doesn't move his feet on defense? Bad shoulder.
Terrible moving screen? Shoulder injury.
Doesn't pass out of a triple team? Still hasn't recovered from shoulder surgery.
Doesn't... Refuses to box out? Ummm have I mentioned his shoulder injury?
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Maybe Ty has a bad shoulder
 
GVC said:
Burks isn't a great defensive player by any stretch, but Jefferson...he's ****ing terrible. Dude ball watches like nobody's ****ing business. The Jazz are thin on the wing, so he'll get his minutes, but there's no reason he should be getting more than Burks (although this depends somewhat on what's happening off the court/in practice, I suppose).


Also, Kanter still isn't boxing out. What the ****? He just refuses to put his body between his man and the basket, choosing instead to try to push players with his arms, putting himself out of position to grab rebounds AND allowing the opposition to get wherever they want. Can anyone offer an explanation? Very confusing.
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This!! I'm so tired of people making excuses for Jefferson. His D is terrible and he makes a lot of bad decisions on offense as well. Power of the vet I guess.
 
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