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Trey Burke's Ankle Protection Plan - Q & A

Hotdog

Hotdog

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I've noticed something about Trey Burke's jump shot. Maybe its been mentioned before, but I havent noticed. He's good at spreading his legs on the come down from his jump shot to make sure he doesn't land on the shoe of the defender coming under him. Keeping them close increases the chance you turn your ankle.. He also does this while maintaining focus on his shot. Its not everytime, just when it's necessary.

I find this to be good news in terms of his durability because its not easy to do. It can be distracting to worry about whats going on underneath you as a player. A lot of guys it doesn't bother because they never experience that severe sprain after coming down on a shoe. Remember when Deron came down on Derrick Rose's shoe in that preseason game? He was never the same shooter after that. I noticed everytime someone came to close to getting underneath him, he wasn't very accurate.

I just noticed this stuff because it happened to me before too. As a young man I didnt know how easy it could happen if you arent careful. It screwed up my ankle pretty good. I never felt as comfortable shooting a jump shot after that when someone would get too close. I was never a stand still shooter then. Thought it was easier to control your shot in the air. I started paying more attention to where my feet were landing, but its definitely an adjustment. You ending up rushing shots more.


Anyways, thats my 2 cents about it. I think its a big plus. Trey seems to have a good feel for whats going on around him. And he does it while being clutch too. Its really impressive. At first I thought maybe it was just an off balanced shot when I saw it in the the final four, saw a few other times too, but then again last night... I think he has perfected it. Maybe. Maybe its too soon to say. I dunno we'll see.
 
I haven't been able to see too many games being out of state, but I appreciate the observation. I think that ankle roll changed D Will's career trajectory. If Trey can avoid that it is one more variable we don't have to worry about.
 
His true shooting is the same. He just takes a higher number of 3s since leaving Utah and as a consequence of less driving to the hoop he avg's less FTs. But that maybe a side effect of him worrying about his lower body getting D-Rose'd in the paint. Yeah that's a word. You heard it here first. Next week at work when your co worker tells you how he forgot his marriage anniversary he'll say: I D-Rose'd that hard. She's mad at me now. I think I need a more comfy couch.
 
BTP said:
His true shooting is the same. He just takes a higher number of 3s since leaving Utah and as a consequence of less driving to the hoop he avg's less FTs. But that maybe a side effect of him worrying about his lower body getting D-Rose'd in the paint. Yeah that's a word. You heard it here first. Next week at work when your co worker tells you how he forgot his marriage anniversary he'll say: I D-Rose'd that hard. She's mad at me now. I think I need a more comfy couch.
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Do you think that maybe Derrick Rose's injuries are karma for what he did to Deron?
 
Hack said:
I've noticed something about Trey Burke's jump shot. Maybe its been mentioned before, but I havent noticed. He's good at spreading his legs on the come down from his jump shot to make sure he doesn't land on the shoe of the defender coming under him. Keeping them close increases the chance you turn your ankle..
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....the simple solution is to have your ankles TAPED by the trainer before every game! It then becomes almost impossible to get a bad sprain even if you do land on the other guys foot/shoe! Before I taped my ankles I'd end up with plenty of sprains. After I started tapping them.....none!
 
Hack said:
Do you think that maybe Derrick Rose's injuries are karma for what he did to Deron?
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1) I don't believe in Karma. Just in funny coincidences, randomness.
2) I don't think Derrick Rose ruined Deron Williams career if he indeed had only a (maybe severe) ankle sprain after landing on it. He can be lucky he had the close out on his shot from Rose instead of Battier. That one would have hurt way more.
3) As I said he didn't play worse afterwards only different. Maybe it's also because of the Nets surrounding pieces like Brook Lowpostpez that he takes different shots.
 
BTP said:
1) I don't believe in Karma. Just in funny coincidences, randomness.
2) I don't think Derrick Rose ruined Deron Williams career if he indeed had only a (maybe severe) ankle sprain after landing on it. He can be lucky he had the close out on his shot from Rose instead of Battier. That one would have hurt way more.
3) As I said he didn't play worse afterwards only different. Maybe it's also because of the Nets surrounding pieces like Brook Lowpostpez that he takes different shots.
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Go look at the actual timeline and the stats. Yes he did play worse. He wasn't as good a shooter. This has nothing to do with his time in Brooklyn.

It wouldn't have mattered if it were Rose's foot or Battier's. It was still a foot. And it was still bad sprain.
 
DWill played with one foot and ankle out the door for sure.

Loved Trey's comment after the game about how Pop's looked like he thought they were going to win, yet he (Trey) never checked out.
 
Burke's lower body jump shooting mechanics are impressive - feet squared, spread evenly, straight up/straight down every time - even on pull up jumpers. Upper body mechanics can use some work - it seems like he's pushing/flinging the ball sometimes. Which is why you see a lot of makes followed by a lot of misses from him. But that's normal when you have a young player getting used to NBA 3-point range.

Excellent foundation - I'm sure he'll get much better
 
Hack said:
Go look at the actual timeline and the stats. Yes he did play worse. He wasn't as good a shooter. This has nothing to do with his time in Brooklyn.

It wouldn't have mattered if it were Rose's foot or Battier's. It was still a foot. And it was still bad sprain.
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No his stats say he didn't decline. In his 4 good years in Utah he had TS% between 57.4 and 59.5%. After he was traded he basically played 1v5 and had 2 bad shooting seasons. Then last year when he was finally healthy again he had his best individual season by numbers and a TS% of 57.4 and this year he's having 58.5 %. He simply plays more perimeter than lane for whatever reason.
 
BTP said:
No his stats say he didn't decline. In his 4 good years in Utah he had TS% between 57.4 and 59.5%. After he was traded he basically played 1v5 and had 2 bad shooting seasons. Then last year when he was finally healthy again he had his best individual season by numbers and a TS% of 57.4 and this year he's having 58.5 %. He simply plays more perimeter than lane for whatever reason.
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Nice try...

Deron before the injury.
07-08 FG% .507 - 3P% .395

Deron after the injury
08-09 FG% .471 - 3P% .310
09-10 FG% .469 - 3P% .371


I dont need the stats to tell me anything. I know what I saw.
 
Hack said:
Nice try...

Deron before the injury.
07-08 FG% .507 - 3P% .395

Deron after the injury
08-09 FG% .471 - 3P% .310
09-10 FG% .469 - 3P% .371


I dont need the stats to tell me anything. I know what I saw.
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So first of all. I thought better of you than posting FG%. Haven't I taught tards like you that you use eFG% when you talk about shooting? #disappointed

So you're really discrediting your credentials right here. I also added that he lost efficiency immediately after the trade because he was playing 1v5 on the Nets. In Utah he had a lot of guys next to him that didn't allow opponents to double him. After the trade everything focused on him defensively.

Now I look at his best years;
And I do it the right, educated way:

D-Will TS% eFG% FTr 3PAr ORtg WS/48
07/08: .595 .544 .368 .188 118 .177
08/09: .573 .506 .390 .230 116 .160
09/10: .574 .515 .397 .246 116 .177
10/11: .587 .513 .439 .320 116 .159 <-at Utah
10/11: .463 .396 .343 .349 103 .066 <-Nets
11/12: .527 .467 .317 .356 106 .099
12/13: .574 .516 .328 .398 118 .184
13/14: .585 .544 .295 .326 111 .110 (injured again)

So how is the 12/13 year where he played 78 regular season games worse than his best days in Utah? Right, it isn't. That's when he had a comparable supporting cast to his Jazz days and didn't get penta teamed on offense while unhappy about being in New Jersey and wanting his way out like Dwight.
Thing is Deron was never a franchise player. He was good when surrounded by talent and that made him look better. He's a sidekick that's it. And injury or not he's still just as good as in Utah. He simply shoots more from deep.
 
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