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Dear FRONT OFFICE: NO ONE WANTS TO WIN GAMES WITH RJ AND MW!

Revolution 9 said:
Let's put it this way. Get rid of RJ, and MW and will live with the result.
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I'd love to believe you, but experience proves otherwise. People looking for a gripe will find a gripe.

I mean, how the hell can two vets playing 40-45 minutes a night combined be the difference between "I hate this season and must start threads about it" and "I love this season and suddenly I'm actually watching games and cheering the team on." Seems a little...flaky.
 
The Thriller said:
Franchises don't care about their fans? I think someone needs to take a basic economics class.

I have family who work in the Jazz's PR department.... This season has been BRUTAL for ticket sales. They've had games where they've literally gone up into the upper bowl and asked people to come down into the lower bowl because it looked so bad on tv.

This had never been done. This franchise for nearly 2 decades regularly filled their arena every single night.

You're utterly crazy if you think the business owners of this franchise don't care about what their fans think. Unless you're EXXON Mobile or Walmart, most businesses care about what their customers want.
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If you think that a random fan forum that calls for tanking will cause the ownership to call an emergency board meeting and plan out the perfect tank, then you really don't understand, well, much of anything. There is no way the ownership ties decreased ticket sales to anything but losing. Win more = sell more tickets. It's that simple for the vast majority of fans. So no, our opinions don't matter, just our dollars. And it is awful hard to get a large company to "get the message" as to why we are not spending our dollars on the product, and you better believe that losing is their primary focus for why ticket sales have dropped off, not some fringe group of fans screaming their lungs out on the interwebs for a tank.
 
mct said:
Yeah, but the five (plus maybe Gobert) should be playing all their minutes together and ALL have a usage rate of over 25%.
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You want a combined usage rate of 125% from one group of players on the court?
 
JimLes said:
I mean, how the hell can two vets playing 40-45 minutes a night combined be the difference between "I hate this season and must start threads about it" and "I love this season and suddenly I'm actually watching games and cheering the team on." Seems a little...flaky.
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Its true though.

Play marv and jefferson jeremy evans and brandon rush type minutes and play burks and kanter the same minutes as trey and gordon...... these threads would dissappear and so would 90 percent of the complaining.
 
JimLes said:
I'd love to believe you, but experience proves otherwise. People looking for a gripe will find a gripe.

I mean, how the hell can two vets playing 40-45 minutes a night combined be the difference between "I hate this season and must start threads about it" and "I love this season and suddenly I'm actually watching games and cheering the team on." Seems a little...flaky.
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I've praised the good things we've done. Getting rid of Sap, and Big Al. Didn't like losing Carroll, but dealt with it. Was worried Ty would make Burke earn his stripes too long. Ty gave him the reins right away. Praised it.

This isn't about finding something to complain about. This is about seeing this opportunity pass us by. What are our goals? What is the vision? Are we trying to win with two vets who won't help us get to the next level? Why are we playing them major minutes? What purpose does that serve for the big picture?

Now I know these questions are too big, and your scope is too small. So please just keep saying everyone here are whiny assholes. Much easier than actually looking, and respecting peoples points of view. Because if we are being honest, and you clearly aren't, everyone here loves the team. Why are YOU so negative about everything? Whoopie you love the Jazz this year, and want them to win as many games as possible. You aren't any greater of a fan. Get over yourself. Some of us want a title, or at least the possibility of one. No side is better than the other.
 
JimLes said:
I'd love to believe you, but experience proves otherwise. People looking for a gripe will find a gripe.

I mean, how the hell can two vets playing 40-45 minutes a night combined be the difference between "I hate this season and must start threads about it" and "I love this season and suddenly I'm actually watching games and cheering the team on." Seems a little...flaky.
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I agree. Its a good thing the fans don't run the team. We would have run everybody out of town on a rail and then want them back the minute they put up 20 on their next team. We as a group are FLAKES. So lets just enjoy the season. Let's congradulate the team on their success and be happy for what we have. That is a great core and some great vets (who are great people) to show the young fellas the ropes.

Just as an example, Kanter might have been an absolute basket case by now if he continued down the road he was headed as a starter. Same goes for Burks. They are excelling in their roll of coming off the bench and seamingly not complaining about it. And if their not complaining why are we?
 
Revolution 9 said:
Why are we playing them major minutes? What purpose does that serve for the big picture?
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Playing with vets in lineups that make sense helps the youth on the team learn to play winning NBA basketball. Throwing players out there without well-defined roles, in roles they're not suited to or ready to fill, or in lineups that make their success as players more difficult hinders development. It's that simple.

I'm all for RJ's minutes to be cut in favor of Burks, but this is a pretty minor gripe considering how quickly the young talent on the team has matured this season.
 
fishonjazz said:
Its true though.

Play marv and jefferson jeremy evans and brandon rush type minutes and play burks and kanter the same minutes as trey and gordon...... these threads would dissappear and so would 90 percent of the complaining.
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Also said by the 13 year old girls on the Jazz facebook pack.
 
GVC said:
Playing with vets in lineups that make sense helps the youth on the team learn to play winning NBA basketball. Throwing players out there without well-defined roles, in roles they're not suited to or ready to fill, or in lineups that make their success as players more difficult hinders development. It's that simple.

I'm all for RJ's minutes to be cut in favor of Burks, but this is a pretty minor gripe considering how quickly the young talent on the team has matured this season.
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Haven't they learned that the last 3 years with Big AL, and Sap? Your argument is valid, however we are way past that imo. Favors, Kanter, Hayward, and Burks know their roles, and don't have to have their hands held anymore. The only one who could have learned something is Trey, and RJ and Williams aren't teaching him how to win games.
 
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