This site has jumped the tuna fish by turning on Hayward

[cowhide]

The only way that happens is if they give Hayward the five year max like Paul George got, and that just is t happening. The reason they won't lose other players is because burks and kanter are not max guys, and burke's rookie deal will not end until Hayward's extension is done, assuming he gets the four year extension. The only thing it really affects is the ability to sign a max free agent, and that was never really a concern here anyways, as it's not happening.

Another consideration is that the salary cap is going to be a lot higher at the end of Hayward's contract than it is now, so we will have more ability to sign other players/extend the ones we have.

The real problem with keeping the team together comes after Hayward and favors deals expire. If they are both max players at that point, you want to keep them, but we might have Burke and hopefully Jabari/wiggins playing at a max level too. So at that point, you have to trade or not re-sign someone. But that is 4 1/2 years from now, and not hinged at all on the contract extension that Hayward signs at the end of this year.

While you make some fine points aren't you also making a few assumptions. Right now Burks and Kanter aren't near MAX guys but they still have another year before their contracts are up (I believe). Burks has been playing very well since Hayward got injured and Kanter just had a monster game against Detroit. Now consistency is still both an issue with these guys but if you end up giving Hayward the Max then you end up setting a bench mark for all the other players. If Burks out performs Hayward then you a problem on your hand. I agree that the Jazz will definitely have issues once the contracts of Trey, + our lottery pick 2014.

I am not very familiar with the CBA but I thought the salary cap was decreasing with this new deal or was that the percentage of revenue sharing. Besides a team is less likely to want to pay the luxury tax since the penalties are greater. You're still going to need to fill out the rest of the roster with players other players. The Core5 + top 5 pick + another first round pick. Is the rest of the roster going to be DL or cheap vets like John Lucas.

 

[b_line]

While you make some fine points aren't you also making a few assumptions. Right now Burks and Kanter aren't near MAX guys but they still have another year before their contracts are up (I believe). Burks has been playing very well since Hayward got injured and Kanter just had a monster game against Detroit. Now consistency is still both an issue with these guys but if you end up giving Hayward the Max then you end up setting a bench mark for all the other players. If Burks out performs Hayward then you a problem on your hand. I agree that the Jazz will definitely have issues once the contracts of Trey, + our lottery pick 2014.

I am not very familiar with the CBA but I thought the salary cap was decreasing with this new deal or was that the percentage of revenue sharing. Besides a team is less likely to want to pay the luxury tax since the penalties are greater. You're still going to need to fill out the rest of the roster with players other players. The Core5 + top 5 pick + another first round pick. Is the rest of the roster going to be DL or cheap vets like John Lucas.

Kanter and burks can be extended this offseason. Let's say they sign Hayward to 12 per, so that makes Hayward and favors at 24, burks and kanter probably get like 7 mil each per year ( based on current play) add in treys 4 mil or so, and the other guys they have under contract ( Jeremy, gobert, maybe Neto next year) and that makes our salary total about $45 million before our draft picks. That would likely put us at about ten players, and about 50 million in salary. Locke said the salary cap was going up significantly in the next couple years, and is at just under 60 million right now. At 50 million, we can still sign a few players to decent contracts and be at or under the cap. The salary tax line is actually $71.7 million this year, so we would be well below that even if we signed another max player.

The point of this is that the jazz have way more flexibility than lots of us are giving them credit for.



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[franklin]

I love the irony/stupidity of NBA fans.

Without mentioning names, Id like to reference two players in this league. One took less money so he could have a shot at winning championships, while the other forced a trade in order to make the maximum amount of money believing he could still win championships. He could have played out his contract and still played for the team he wanted, but he would have lost a few drops out of his bucket, and God forbid he have to live with a little less bling in his life. Ironically, it's the guy who valued winning over money who is the most hated player in the league.

Which brings me to Gordan Hayward. I love the guy and I hope he is in a Jazz uni for years, but if it comes down to 12 mill a year, trade his *** and I hope the door hits him in the *** on the way out. Somebody a few posts ago suggested a few million here or there won't mean anything in the grande scheme of things. WRONG, WRONG AND WRONG. I suggest studying up on the new cba. It makes a HUGE difference, and overpaying a player by a few million could make the difference between a tradeable contract and one that isn't. Nothing would make me happier than for Gordo to blow up and prove me wrong, but right now I wouldn;t match anything over 10, and even then I'd be a little nervous. The new cba creates a situation where teams have to be very careful where they hand out the majority of their cap.

The Jazz can afford to go up to the LT line under the new CBA with the additional $11mm/year revenue sharing. They already could afford paying the cap comfortably; paying $71mm will now be just as comfortable.

Hayward $12mm
Favors $12mm
Kanter $10mm?
Burks $7mm
Burke $4mm
Rookie $6mm

That's $51mm in 2015/16. Where's the poison?

 

[b_line]

The Jazz can afford to go up to the LT line under the new CBA with the additional $11mm/year revenue sharing. They already could afford paying the cap comfortably; paying $71mm will now be just as comfortable.

Hayward $12mm
Favors $12mm
Kanter $10mm?
Burks $7mm
Burke $4mm
Rookie $6mm

That's $51mm in 2015/16. Where's the poison?

Exactly. Add in Gobert, Evans, maybe Neto, and we still probably have room for a near max player. And that is assuming Kanter signs for 10 million. That's the thing about the way the Jazz are set up right now, they can be phenomenal if they get a good draft this year, and they can be even better if they sign a decent free agent to go along with that draft pick.

 

[CitizenofCapua]

Letting Hayward go just for + 2-3 millon $ differential doesnt sound like the greatest idea in the world. If we are going to aim play-offs next year and following years keeping Hayward is essential and we can easily afford 12-13 mil. contract and he will get better and mature every year and it wont be an untradable contract. Lets say we let Hayward go for nothing what is our plan B are we gonna be able to land a quality FA that equally good as Hayward and would be fine with less money to play in Utah? Keep Hayward no matter if its 12-13 million per year we can easily afford it and as franklin said our cap space is not even close to danger zone.

 

[akirac73]

The Jazz can afford to go up to the LT line under the new CBA with the additional $11mm/year revenue sharing. They already could afford paying the cap comfortably; paying $71mm will now be just as comfortable.

Hayward $12mm
Favors $12mm
Kanter $10mm?
Burks $7mm
Burke $4mm
Rookie $6mm

That's $51mm in 2015/16. Where's the poison?

Just because we can afford to spend doesn't make it's a smart business decision. What's wrong with having cap space to spare? Gordon Hayward wouldn't even be on the Jazz right now if it weren't for the concept of preserving cap space. The NY Knicks 1st round pick (which led to Gordon Hayward) was obtained as a part of a trade with Phoenix to swallow Tom Guguliotta ridiculous contract...guess what allowed the Jazz to make that trade?

 

[akirac73]

So.... Hayward has not shown major improvements? Career highs in everything but shooting % is not major improvement?

C'mon b_line. I know Hayward has been on a nice hot streak lately (and I've given him props for his great play), but let's not suddenly forget that the guy was shooting 39% FG, 28% 3PT, and in the top 10 in the league in turnovers for most of the first half of the season. You need to look at his entire body of work here...$10M/year is more than fair for what Hayward brings to the table (a well rounded, good role player that can get really hot at times, but for the most part is extremely inconsistent). If other teams want to pay him more than that, it can be their mistake, not ours.

 

[Doublea]

C'mon b_line. I know Hayward has been on a nice hot streak lately (and I've given him props for his great play), but let's not suddenly forget that the guy was shooting 39% FG, 28% 3PT, and in the top 10 in the league in turnovers for most of the first half of the season. You need to look at his entire body of work here...$10M/year is more than fair for what Hayward brings to the table (a well rounded, good role player that can get really hot at times, but for the most part is extremely inconsistent). If other teams want to pay him more than that, it can be their mistake, not ours.

Meh Turnovers come when a player is handling the ball more, if I recall right a lot of top players are in the top ten with turnovers such as Harden, Curry, James. etc.... not saying these correlate in anyway. It just shows a much a player is used. So we could argue that Hayward is just being used wrong, but that was the point of this season, to see if he could be the primary used player.

 

[SojoDave]

I admit it, I booed Hayward when he was drafted. I wanted Paul George from the beginning. I've rooted for him to be good, but he has disappointed me way too many times. He is pressing too hard this year, maybe if he would have signed his deal, he wouldn't have pressed so hard and would be playing better. He is hot and then cold way too long. I always wonder what his ceiling is and if he will ever be consistent.

 

[franklin]

Just because we can afford to spend doesn't make it's a smart business decision. What's wrong with having cap space to spare? Gordon Hayward wouldn't even be on the Jazz right now if it weren't for the concept of preserving cap space. The NY Knicks 1st round pick (which led to Gordon Hayward) was obtained as a part of a trade with Phoenix to swallow Tom Guguliotta ridiculous contract...guess what allowed the Jazz to make that trade?

Now isn't the time to preserve cap space for 7 years in the future. Nice try though.

 

[Ellipse]

Hayward is not more important to this franchise than Favors. Nothing more to say.

 

[LogGrad98]

I think the FO will match up to 13, maybe even more. I think they will look at it as some posters have pointed out, that it isn't worth diving into the unknown to save 2-3 or even 4 mill. I also think that Hayward will settle into a very productive roll very well once we have our true centerpiece in place. This season has been anything but stable, it's like the first year after an ugly divorce, awkward for everyone. I just hope that if we drop out of Embiid/Wiggins/Parker contention we are able to lock up a cornerstone long term with our abundant cap space.