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BYU @ Utah........

Who is going to win on Saturday?

  • BYU

    Votes: 11 32.4%

  • Utah

    Votes: 23 67.6%
  • Total voters
    34
Here's the difference, BYU hasn't had a full playbook on offense until two weeks ago. I wouldn't assume Lindley >>>> Heaps, even as a Freshman, but I'll let him do the talking with his play tomorrow.

I actually deleted that other post for the same reason too. I figured you guys would stop overlooking Hoffman soon enough, but I guess you snagged it before I deleted it.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Here's the difference, BYU hasn't had a full playbook on offense until two weeks ago. I wouldn't assume Lindley >>>> Heaps, even as a Freshman, but I'll let him do the talking with his play tomorrow.

I actually deleted that other post for the same reason too. I figured you guys would stop overlooking Hoffman soon enough, but I guess you snagged it before I deleted it.
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So then I guess your point is that Heaps, a true freshman, has only 3 weeks of "real" experience, and is already better than Lindley? And not only that, but he is so much better than Lindley, that it makes BYU's passing game even better than SDSU's (who clearly has better receivers than BYU).

Well I guess we'll see tomorrow, but needless to say, I don't buy it.


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Duck Rodgers said:
Here's the difference, BYU hasn't had a full playbook on offense until two weeks ago.......QUOTE]

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Hell, it's well documented that even with a full playbook, BYU's OC doesn't call all that great of a game. As a matter of fact, it's BYU fans that have a major beef with that in the first place.

Duck, I'll say it again: You're predictions are the worst. They're absolutely horrible. You have no business predicting anything. I'd only be worried if you predicting Utah to win. I couldn't be more pleased with how you see this game playing out. It most certainly means that Utah is going to roll.
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KrazeeEyezKilla said:
Salty, I'm curious. How have these last two blowouts felt to you? Metaphor desired.
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What blowouts are you talking about? Utah won their last game.

Or are you talking about BYU beating crappy teams (by less than Utah beat those same teams) the last couple weeks?


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SaltyDawg said:
Anyway, you keep harping about Wynn's turnovers. BYU doesn't have the defense to force turnovers the way TCU did. You can forget about that.
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How does BYU's defense compare to Wyoming's? If I remember right (and I do remember correctly) Wynn tossed three INT's in that one. I'll wager BYU's defense is head and shoulders better than that of the mustard and mud. But clearly nobody can create turnovers like TCU though can they?
 
catratcho said:
How does BYU's defense compare to Wyoming's? If I remember right (and I do remember correctly) Wynn tossed three INT's in that one. I'll wager BYU's defense is head and shoulders better than that of the mustard and mud.
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Would you say Wyoming "forced" Wynn into 3 interceptions, or did Wynn just get careless during a blowout victory?


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SaltyDawg said:
Would you say Wyoming "forced" Wynn into 3 interceptions, or did Wynn just get careless during a blowout victory?


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Doesn't matter. He still threw 3 picks. There's no way in hell to know if he "got careless" or if he was forced into throwing them.
 
catratcho said:
Doesn't matter. He still threw 3 picks. There's no way in hell to know if he "got careless" or if he was forced into throwing them.
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It absolutely does matter. If Wyoming's defense didn't force him into throwing them, or didn't cause them, then it doesn't matter if BYU's defense is as good or better.

I guess if your point is, "Utah will be up by 30 points, so Wynn will likely get careless when he tries to hot dog some flashy passes," then the Wyoming game would be a good comparison.

If you are saying BYU will "force" some turnovers, the Wyoming game is not the game to look at. They didn't "force" any turnovers. Utah was blowing them out and Wynn started attempting throws he normally wouldn't.

Wynn does have his share of "forced" turnovers this year, I'm not denying that. I'm just saying Wyoming wasn't the team forcing them.

And again, BYU is certainly no TCU so I don't think turnovers will be a problem for Utah.


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BYU's defense couldn't stop Utah State to save their lives. I don't care if Hill is gone and the great and magical Bronco is now running the defense. The talent on that side of the ball is terrible. So to act like BYU's D is head and shoulders above Wyoming is pretty silly.
 
IMO, BYU had a bit more talent on D last year, and during a game in Provo against Wynn as a true freshman, they didn't "force" him into a ton of mistakes. Serious Question: if that was the case last year, why does Cougar fan think BYU can go to SLC with a younger/less talented Defense and force a now more experienced Wynn into multiple turnovers?
 
jazzman12 said:
Duck, I'll say it again: You're predictions are the worst. They're absolutely horrible. You have no business predicting anything. I'd only be worried if you predicting Utah to win. I couldn't be more pleased with how you see this game playing out. It most certainly means that Utah is going to roll.
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Hilarious. I told everyone that Utah's secondary was going to be a problem this year when you guys were rolling everybody. I told everyone San Diego State was better than Utah, after they lost to BYU(and they definitely outplayed you guys). I told everyone BYU would get rolling once A) The Defense started to blitz B) The offense started to open the playbook C) The backup talent starts playing more.

All of those things happened, and BYU got rolling. BYU should have hired me as a consultant. You dumbies thought you were going to be able to bask in a 3 win BYU season or something.

I'll make another prediction,

4 out of the last 5 in T-11 hours. When do you guys have to start winning again for us to consider this a rivalry? Is this going to become like the Utah State series where you guys have to catch BYU in a negative perfect storm to win every 20 years? Losers.

And for the record, Robert Anae does not call all, or even most, of BYU's plays anymore. I told you, two games ago things change.
 
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Duck Rodgers said:
I'll make another prediction,

4 out of the last 5 in T-11 hours. When do you guys have to start winning again for us to consider this a rivalry? Is this going to become like the Utah State series where you guys have to catch BYU in a negative perfect storm to win every 20 years? Losers.

And for the record, Robert Anae does not call all, or even most, of BYU's plays anymore. I told you, two games ago things change.
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Just being honest here...you're probably the biggest idiot BYU fan I've ran into, and that's saying a lot.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
I told everyone San Diego State was better than Utah
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Clearly. Nothing supports this assertion quite like SDSU losing to Utah in San Diego. I bow to your wisdom.

I told everyone BYU would get rolling once A) The Defense started to blitz B) The offense started to open the playbook C) The backup talent starts playing more.

All of those things happened, and BYU got rolling. BYU should have hired me as a consultant.
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Again, spot on. BYU started to do these things and was (against all odds) able to topple the Four Horsemen of the College Football Powerhouse Apocalyse: UNLV, Wyoming, CSU, and New Mexico (3 of the 4 in Provo.) A shake up of biblical proportion.
 
SaltyDawg said:
What blowouts are you talking about? Utah won their last game.

Or are you talking about BYU beating crappy teams (by less than Utah beat those same teams) the last couple weeks?


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My bad. I didn't count the most recent win. Just figured it was an anomaly after they were maimed and pillaged by the the only two teams worth anything on their shcedule.
 
Bronco70 said:
Clearly. Nothing supports this assertion quite like SDSU losing to Utah in San Diego. I bow to your wisdom.
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They out gained you by 100 yards. That's a big deal in football. Yes, I'm that crazy category where I think turnovers should be considered beating yourself.
 
Fun stuff. Go Cougs!

BYU 42-38 in a shootout.

Looking forward to some silence from the Ute fans...or to eat some crow but I think BYU has more momentum going into a hostile environment, even if their past wins were against some cup cakes, they were convincing wins and Utah barely squeaked one out last week and lost the two games that really mattered. Oh and that hit on the SDSU QB at the end of the game was a blow to the head, had the refs seen it, you would be on a 3 game losing streak. Oh well, it's in the past I guess.

Go Cougars!
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Hilarious. I told everyone that Utah's secondary was going to be a problem this year when you guys were rolling everybody. I told everyone San Diego State was better than Utah, after they lost to BYU(and they definitely outplayed you guys). I told everyone BYU would get rolling once A) The Defense started to blitz B) The offense started to open the playbook C) The backup talent starts playing more.

All of those things happened, and BYU got rolling. BYU should have hired me as a consultant. You dumbies thought you were going to be able to bask in a 3 win BYU season or something.

I'll make another prediction,

4 out of the last 5 in T-11 hours. When do you guys have to start winning again for us to consider this a rivalry? Is this going to become like the Utah State series where you guys have to catch BYU in a negative perfect storm to win every 20 years? Losers.

And for the record, Robert Anae does not call all, or even most, of BYU's plays anymore. I told you, two games ago things change.
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I could tear apart tear apart this entire post, but Bronco already did a great job of handling it. Instead, I think I'll focus on the most dellusional part of it:

When do you guys have to start winning again for us to consider this a rivalry? Is this going to become like the Utah State series where you guys have to catch BYU in a negative perfect storm to win every 20 years? Losers.
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Really? I'm seriously asking if this is how you actually feel, or if you're just running smack because it simply has no logic behind it at all. After Utah wins today, they end the 12 year MWC seriess ahead of BYU 7 wins to 5 losses. Even if BYU pulls off an upset today, the best they can do is a .500 record against Utah in the MWC years. So by your logic, what does that mean? Does it mean that BYU was in a "negative perfect storm" during 7 of the 12 MWC years? You bring up Utah winning, "every 20 years" or so. Were you asleep during the last 20 years considering the rivalry record over that period of time is tied at 10 wins apiece?

I don't know if it is possible for you to do this, but instead of following up this post with more incohearant rhetoric, please try to exlplain your "ever 20 years" remark or how it takes a "perfect negative storm" for Utah to beat BYU considering that during the last 2 decades, these teams are in a dead heat.

Thanks for proving me right. You're a moron. All I need to do is let you run your mouth and you will most certainly hang yourself. Every number I just posted is FACT and proves that you just have no idea what you are talking about.

I'm sure the other Cougar fans on this board would gladly be rid of you. Such a poor representation of the team you follow.
 
retrojazzfan said:
Fun stuff. Go Cougs!

BYU 42-38 in a shootout.

Looking forward to some silence from the Ute fans...or to eat some crow but I think BYU has more momentum going into a hostile environment, even if their past wins were against some cup cakes, they were convincing wins and Utah barely squeaked one out last week and lost the two games that really mattered. Oh and that hit on the SDSU QB at the end of the game was a blow to the head, had the refs seen it, you would be on a 3 game losing streak. Oh well, it's in the past I guess.

Go Cougars!
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Yet another silly Cougar fan. After BYU stole a game from SDSU (in Provo) no less, it suprises me that BYU fan still feels ok about saying Utah should have lost at SDSU. Memo to BYU fan: Utah went to SDSU and rolled up much more offensive yards than your team was able to muster against them while playing them in Provo. Perhaps you should focus on that instead of still whining a crying a week later about what "should" have happened to Utah. I know you guys are super excited about your last 4 wins, but you have to realize that they mean nothing. Just like they meant nothing for Utah when it came time to face TCU. The Colorado State team you beat by 39 points was beaten worse by Wyoming last week. The Cowboys even managed to shut them out.

Now that the season is basically over, I have no problem as a Ute fan admitting that my team was way overrated. They're obviously not a great team, but I do still think it's fair to classify them as a good team. BYU on the other hand is still a bad team. It simply boils down to the fact that they're the best of the worst that the MWC has to offer.
 
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