Darkwing Duck
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Question: What sport can field a better team without first round draft picks? An NBA team or an NFL team?
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Question: What sport can field a better team without first round draft picks? An NBA team or an NFL team?
Coach Ellis
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Disagree entirely that first round picks in the NFL are worth less than they are in the NBA.
I would agree that top 5 picks in the NBA are more valuable (unless it's a good year for QBs) but outside of the top 5, the NFL teams can almost always find a capable All-Star player late. The bigger rosters and deeper draft just make it that way. I'd take a late first round pick in the NFL value-wise over anything outside of the top 10 (maybe even 8) in the NBA.
I mean, this is supposed to be one if the best and deepest drafts in the NBA in a decade, and it's pretty well established that you need a top 4 or 5 pick to have a shot at an all star.
I would agree that top 5 picks in the NBA are more valuable (unless it's a good year for QBs) but outside of the top 5, the NFL teams can almost always find a capable All-Star player late. The bigger rosters and deeper draft just make it that way. I'd take a late first round pick in the NFL value-wise over anything outside of the top 10 (maybe even 8) in the NBA.
I mean, this is supposed to be one if the best and deepest drafts in the NBA in a decade, and it's pretty well established that you need a top 4 or 5 pick to have a shot at an all star.
Clearly NFL. The overwhelming majority of the top NBA players (not even top, just all the ones who are good) are 1st round picks.
There are plenty of top guys in the NFL who were later round draft picks (Tom Brady is the biggest example).
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I'm not playing that crap. This over-simplifies things waaaaay too much.
For example, what's the difference in value from an NBA pick near the top of the first round versus one near the bottom of the first round? What's the difference in value between an NFL pick near the top of the first round versus one near the bottom of the first round?
Next, let's discuss the differences between staffing NBA team and an NFL team such that they can be consistent within a coaching philosophy.
Or, we can get diverted to your trash question.
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.... please don't try to add any nuance to this discussion... a first-round pick is a first-round pick... nuff said.
Coach Ellis
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NBA roster - 15 players x 30 teams. Total players = 450. Total starters = 150. Guys have to play both offense and defense. It's much easier to field a roster full of 1st round picks because there's only two rounds.
NFL roster - 53 players x 32 teams. Total players = 1,696. Total starters = 704. Guys play either offense or defense, but not both. And yet the vast majority of superstar players are 1st round picks.
The management of the two sports just aren't comparable.
Outside of getting a star QB, top 5 picks in the NFL aren't nearly as valuable as they are in the NBA, and there's almost never a time where a top 20 pick in the NFL isn't worth exponentially more than a top 20 NBA pick.
NFL roster - 53 players x 32 teams. Total players = 1,696. Total starters = 704. Guys play either offense or defense, but not both. And yet the vast majority of superstar players are 1st round picks.
The management of the two sports just aren't comparable.
Outside of getting a star QB, top 5 picks in the NFL aren't nearly as valuable as they are in the NBA, and there's almost never a time where a top 20 pick in the NFL isn't worth exponentially more than a top 20 NBA pick.
Yes, end of the 1st round picks in the NFL have more of a chance to contribute meaninfully.
Still, 1st rounders are more important in the NBA. If you lose your 1st rounder in the NFL, you still have rounds 2-7 to add good players.
In the NBA if you lose your 1st round pick, you have the 2nd round to add a player, who probably won't make your roster. You lose the ability to sign long-term cheap talent.
Still, 1st rounders are more important in the NBA. If you lose your 1st rounder in the NFL, you still have rounds 2-7 to add good players.
In the NBA if you lose your 1st round pick, you have the 2nd round to add a player, who probably won't make your roster. You lose the ability to sign long-term cheap talent.
Disagree on the 1st part, agree on the 2nd.
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I agree with your posts, but I would just change the bolded to say "the management of the two sports aren't easily comparable."
But, that's where Cy and DD want to break things down: into an easy comparison.
Coach Ellis
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I completely agree with your take, but I think that the nuances are important. Would I rather have the #1 overall pick in the nba or the nfl? It depends on if a franchise QB is available. Otherwise, I think the top 5 picks trend to the NBA. After that though, I'd rather have an NFL pick than an equal NBA pick every time.[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];777661 said:
Top TE: Graham - 3rd round pick
Top CB: Sherman - 5th round pick
Top RB: Charles - 3rd round pick (good rb can be found every round)
Off the top of my head top players at their position this past year who aren't 1st round picks.
Top CB: Sherman - 5th round pick
Top RB: Charles - 3rd round pick (good rb can be found every round)
Off the top of my head top players at their position this past year who aren't 1st round picks.
1st rounders are more valuable in the NBA because you only have 2 picks. You lose it, you only have 1 pretty crappy pick.
NFL you lose the 1st, still have 6 other good picks.
It's relative value.
NFL you lose the 1st, still have 6 other good picks.
It's relative value.