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Gordon Hayward Mentioned On Power Rankings

JimLes said:
Worse yet, you could argue that after not agreeing to a contract, the Jazz shunted him into a vastly different role than he had been erstwhile groomed for and that given the circumstances surrounding the whole team, he would most likely struggle in. All this in a contract year, too. I'd be a little bit pissed.
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So Gordon wanted the paycheck of a team leader/superstar/face-of-the-franchise type player but when thrust into that role and given the opportunity to prove himself worthy of such a role, he fails miserably and is pissed. So who exactly is he pissed at?
 
JimLes said:
Worse yet, you could argue that after not agreeing to a contract, the Jazz shunted him into a vastly different role than he had been erstwhile groomed for and that given the circumstances surrounding the whole team, he would most likely struggle in. All this in a contract year, too. I'd be a little bit pissed.
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This is that hard asset management strategy the FO has always talked about. They knew the situation could lower his performance, and thus make him less appealing and costly, or if he succeeded, then he'd be worth every penny of what they gave him.


akirac73 said:
So Gordon wanted the paycheck of a team leader/superstar/face-of-the-franchise type player but when thrust into that role and given the opportunity to prove himself worthy of such a role, he fails miserably and is pissed. So who exactly is he pissed at?
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Contract negotiations occurred after the team was blown up and the new role was defined. He probably didn't want to tank, and since they were making him the new #1 option, he probably wanted to be paid like at least a #2 since the team was putting him in a position where it could all blow up in his face. Speculation is fun.
 
JimLes said:
Worse yet, you could argue that after not agreeing to a contract, the Jazz shunted him into a vastly different role than he had been erstwhile groomed for and that given the circumstances surrounding the whole team, he would most likely struggle in. All this in a contract year, too. I'd be a little bit pissed.
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You mean they put him in a leading role after he wanted a contract that would assume he should be in a leading role?

Yeah…he should be pissed.
 
I agree with the quote in the OP. He's being asked to create with his drives and passing from the top of the circle, and the Jazz have limited options---just a couple spot-up shooters, Favors on a pick-and-roll, and Hayward's own attempt at the rim.

He'll look great though when someone else is attracting most of the defense's attention. He's a great ball mover and versatile player.
 
Catchall said:
I agree with the quote in the OP. He's being asked to create with his drives and passing from the top of the circle, and the Jazz have limited options---just a couple spot-up shooters, Favors on a pick-and-roll, and Hayward's own attempt at the rim.

He'll look great though when someone else is attracting most of the defense's attention. He's a great ball mover and versatile player.
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Would you like to venture a guess at who that'll be, and when he'll arrive?
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];795189 said:
^spinning from this onto a different topic:

I think we also have to wonder if Burke is really our guy at PG. For whatever reason, he has not garnered any greater trust in running the offense this year. He looks like a wallflower a lot of the time, and I hate his inability to get to the free throw line. A lot.
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So much truth in this.

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Hayward wanted to be paid more than what Favors got...he wanted to be the highest paid player on the team.
 
JimLes said:
Everyone making over 10 million a year is now in a "leading role?"
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Pretty much. There are few $10mm+ players who neither fill a primary offensive or defensive role nor are considered wildly overpaid. $10mm is an overpay for Hayward; you can get 80% of his impact in a spot-up shooter at 50% of the price (if you have actual primary offensive/defensive players on the roster...if not, what's the point?).

There are only 57 players in the league making $10mm+ this season. If the most important roles on the team are primary and secondary offensive hub and defensive anchor, none of which can be filled by Gordo, there are a lot fewer $10mm+ players than total spots for those roles.
 
Jazz4ever said:
link to the Jazz offer for Hayward?
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no link on what exactly the Jazz offered, but you can sort of do the math yourself by reading this article. https://www.deseretnews.com/article...ward-cant-work-out-extension-deal.html?pg=all

"Yahoo Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski, who first reported the impasse, claimed the sides “never came close on an extension” and that they remained “several million dollars apart” when calling talks off.

Hayward’s side was reportedly hoping to secure more than Favors’ salary but somewhere less than the $80 million maximum deal fellow 2010 draftee Paul George received this offseason."

So if Hayward wanted more than Favors, that means he wanted around $12-13M, "several million apart" would mean the Jazz offered $9-10M.
 
akirac73 said:
no link on what exactly the Jazz offered, but you can sort of do the math yourself by reading this article. https://www.deseretnews.com/article...ward-cant-work-out-extension-deal.html?pg=all

"Yahoo Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski, who first reported the impasse, claimed the sides “never came close on an extension” and that they remained “several million dollars apart” when calling talks off.

Hayward’s side was reportedly hoping to secure more than Favors’ salary but somewhere less than the $80 million maximum deal fellow 2010 draftee Paul George received this offseason."

So if Hayward wanted more than Favors, that means he wanted around $12-13M, "several million apart" would mean the Jazz offered $9-10M.
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"several million apart" could mean the total amount rather than the yearly amount.
 
fgcamel said:
"several million apart" could mean the total amount rather than the yearly amount.
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Good point. If it were several million apart on the total contract offer, that would make Hayward's camp look even more foolish for rejecting the Jazz's offer...that would've been somewhere in the $11.5M/year range.
 
GVC said:
If the most important roles on the team are primary and secondary offensive hub and defensive anchor, none of which can be filled by Gordo,
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I know Hayward's reputation has taken a hit this year, but are we actually seriously suggesting that with his skillset, he can't be a freaking secondary offensive hub in this league?
 
JimLes said:
I know Hayward's reputation has taken a hit this year, but are we actually seriously suggesting that with his skillset, he can't be a freaking secondary offensive hub in this league?
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He's better suited as the tertiary offensive hub on a playoff contending team. Anything higher than that and he'll fall flat on his face like we saw this year. Put Hayward on any of the elite teams in the league, Miami, San Antonio, Indiana, OKC, Houston, LA Clippers, Portland and he's probably not even the 3rd best player on any of those teams.
 
Gordon Hayward is the guy, that if you overpay him, prevents you from winning a title.
 
JimLes said:
but are we actually seriously suggesting that with his skillset, he can't be a freaking secondary offensive hub in this league?
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Absolutely. What makes you think he'll figure out how to score on-ball?
 
JimLes said:
Why does he need to be an elite on-ball scorer?
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I dunno, maybe because the offensively challenged Jazz sorely need someone that can "score"? Hayward wants to be the highest paid player on the team, so is it unfair to expect our "face of the franchise" to provide what is needed most by the team?
 
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