What type of asset is Hayward?

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I don`t say much here but here it goes. what I see is that Corbin haven't figured out how to utilize the players he has and to put them in position to exceed. just my two cents. so tell me where I`am wrong.

The only area you are wrong in is the Steelers suck.

 

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Gross.

Use $40 million for a real player who actually helps you.

Use the GS pick on mich's Larry bird. Or Young. Or Early.

Let Hayward walk unless he's willing to become the 6th man. He just doesn't shoot well enough or create to warrant a new contract and starter role. Burks should have been given Hayward's minutes.

My friend you want throw Hayward to dogs like scrap of ripe meat? You are fan who want more losing season yes?

 

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Hayward CAN play SF. With the exception of the crappy way he's been used this season, which I believe contributes to his shooting woes, he's shown he has very good 3-pt range.

I don't understand why it has to be one or the other: give Burks 36 mins and give Hayward 36 minutes. That still leaves 24 mins at wing for a third player. What was WRONG this season was playing RJ so much. You CAN have Gordon and Alec playing together; they've closed games a few times. A halfway intelligent coach could sell Alec on coming off the bench for at least another year. Midway through the first, bring Alec in, give Gordo a rest. Then bring Hayward back at SF, where he'd initially be matched up against a backup SF.

Letting Hayward walk is silly. He's a good player having a bad year. His shooting stats WILL recover and, then...if necessary...he can be moved for another player and picks. But simply not matching a contract because it's $1-2M higher than ideal means the Jazz have gotten nothing in return for a lottery pick. Now if that money could net a FA of equal or greater ability, then yes, let him walk. But I don't see that player on the market.

 

[GVC]

Hayward CAN play SF. With the exception of the crappy way he's been used this season, which I believe contributes to his shooting woes, he's shown he has very good 3-pt range.

I don't understand why it has to be one or the other: give Burks 36 mins and give Hayward 36 minutes. That still leaves 24 mins at wing for a third player. What was WRONG this season was playing RJ so much. You CAN have Gordon and Alec playing together; they've closed games a few times. A halfway intelligent coach could sell Alec on coming off the bench for at least another year. Midway through the first, bring Alec in, give Gordo a rest. Then bring Hayward back at SF, where he'd initially be matched up against a backup SF.

Letting Hayward walk is silly. He's a good player having a bad year. His shooting stats WILL recover and, then...if necessary...he can be moved for another player and picks. But simply not matching a contract because it's $1-2M higher than ideal means the Jazz have gotten nothing in return for a lottery pick. Now if that money could net a FA of equal or greater ability, then yes, let him walk. But I don't see that player on the market.

The defensive wing combo of Gordo+Alec is ****ing terrible. That + Burke and Enes, who seems to think his arms should be glued to his sides when he defends in space, and you're not ever winning games. If Burks and Gordo are 2 of 3 key wing players on your team, the third had better be a pretty ****ing amazing defender at the 3. Unfortunately, the middling offensive talent of Gordo and Alec also necessitates he be an elite scorer.

This team is poorly constructed currently. I think you need to look to move one of the young bigs (Favors/Kanter) AND one of the young wings (Gordo/Alec). If the Jazz end up signing all these guys for market value or above, they're ****ed.

 

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The defensive wing combo of Gordo+Alec is ****ing terrible. That + Burke and Enes, who seems to think his arms should be glued to his sides when he defends in space, and you're not ever winning games. If Burks and Gordo are 2 of 3 key wing players on your team, the third had better be a pretty ****ing amazing defender at the 3. Unfortunately, the middling offensive talent of Gordo and Alec also necessitates he be an elite scorer.

This team is poorly constructed currently. I think you need to look to move one of the young bigs (Favors/Kanter) AND one of the young wings (Gordo/Alec). If the Jazz end up signing all these guys for market value or above, they're ****ed.

I dont want agree with this post..... but i kinda do agree

 

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The defensive wing combo of Gordo+Alec is ****ing terrible. That + Burke and Enes, who seems to think his arms should be glued to his sides when he defends in space, and you're not ever winning games. If Burks and Gordo are 2 of 3 key wing players on your team, the third had better be a pretty ****ing amazing defender at the 3. Unfortunately, the middling offensive talent of Gordo and Alec also necessitates he be an elite scorer.

This team is poorly constructed currently. I think you need to look to move one of the young bigs (Favors/Kanter) AND one of the young wings (Gordo/Alec). If the Jazz end up signing all these guys for market value or above, they're ****ed.

How does Burke fit into all this?

I think you can play Burks and Hayward together IF the other guard is a Defense Guy. That's not Burke. I think as long as you're making guys available, then you make Burke available too.

 

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My friend you want throw Hayward to dogs like scrap of ripe meat? You are fan who want more losing season yes?

Do you really think whether we resign Hayward or not, will determine whether we having a winning season next year?

 

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The defensive wing combo of Gordo+Alec is ****ing terrible. That + Burke and Enes, who seems to think his arms should be glued to his sides when he defends in space, and you're not ever winning games. If Burks and Gordo are 2 of 3 key wing players on your team, the third had better be a pretty ****ing amazing defender at the 3. Unfortunately, the middling offensive talent of Gordo and Alec also necessitates he be an elite scorer.

This team is poorly constructed currently. I think you need to look to move one of the young bigs (Favors/Kanter) AND one of the young wings (Gordo/Alec). If the Jazz end up signing all these guys for market value or above, they're ****ed.

If only we had one season to waste... A season to try out different rotations, different strategies, and not give a rip about our record! A season where, we win? Sweet, then we know our talent is good and can compete. All we need to do is make a few minor tweaks to our team and we'll be fine. If we lose? Then we know that our core needs some major reconstructive surgery.

If only...

 

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The defensive wing combo of Gordo+Alec is ****ing terrible. That + Burke and Enes, who seems to think his arms should be glued to his sides when he defends in space, and you're not ever winning games. If Burks and Gordo are 2 of 3 key wing players on your team, the third had better be a pretty ****ing amazing defender at the 3. Unfortunately, the middling offensive talent of Gordo and Alec also necessitates he be an elite scorer.

This team is poorly constructed currently. I think you need to look to move one of the young bigs (Favors/Kanter) AND one of the young wings (Gordo/Alec). If the Jazz end up signing all these guys for market value or above, they're ****ed.

This, 1000x's this.

Core4 - You keep saying there is plenty of minutes for everyone...what if you get Parker or Wiggins? That means either Burks or Hayward have to only play 24 minutes a game. Also, do you want to spend 12 for Hayward, 8-10 for Burks, and then a max deal for Parker/Wiggins? Nope.

You can't do it all. Someone has to go. And that doesn't even take into account how terrible they are defensively.

 

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This, 1000x's this.

Core4 - You keep saying there is plenty of minutes for everyone...what if you get Parker or Wiggins? That means either Burks or Hayward have to only play 24 minutes a game. Also, do you want to spend 12 for Hayward, 8-10 for Burks, and then a max deal for Parker/Wiggins? Nope.

You can't do it all. Someone has to go. And that doesn't even take into account how terrible they are defensively.

how often do you stop to think?

 

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I'm not ready to throw anybody under the bus as yet. It's hard to evaluate how well any of our players fit into the system when WE DON'T HAVE A SYSTEM. Bring in a competent coach and then we can see who should stay and who should go.

 

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How does Burke fit into all this?

I think you can play Burks and Hayward together IF the other guard is a Defense Guy. That's not Burke. I think as long as you're making guys available, then you make Burke available too.

1. No one on the team is untouchable. You can't much worse defensively than Trey-Alec-Gordo on the perimeter.

2. There aren't a lot of players who can handle the 1 offensively AND defend physical wing players.