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Who is Ettore Messina?

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franklin

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A post offense specialist. On paper, his philosophy appears to fill the holes that Tyrone Corbin had. He carries a special focus on read and react, which is something Ty could never get Al Jefferson to do, and struggled getting this group to do up until devolving into the drive and dish heavy offense at season's end.

His words:

The general idea of the CSKA offensive system that eventually led us to our system of play was the conviction that it is certainly not the set play or playing free that makes the difference in a game. Rather, is was the ability of our players to understand what the defense was doing and to always be conscious of any changes that they were making. Our players must be able to read the defensive behavior of their opponents. Any offense can be original, but if the player on offense is not able to understand what the defense does, he loses effectiveness and our offense slows down. The strength of our offense depends on the options that the players have at their disposal after reading (and attacking) the defense. This special knowledge takes a while to be completely understood by our players.
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https://bmsi.ru/doc/f0fc952d-7d16-48ba-add3-dca393d2322f
 
franklin said:
A post offense specialist. On paper, his philosophy appears to fill the holes that Tyrone Corbin had. He carries a special focus on read and react, which is something Ty could never get Al Jefferson to do, and struggled getting this group to do up until devolving into the drive and dish heavy offense at season's end.

His words:



https://bmsi.ru/doc/f0fc952d-7d16-48ba-add3-dca393d2322f
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Great link, can't rep for now but definitely will.

That's just an example of why he is considered as one of the best basketball minds in Europe. He is far more deeply engaged within the theories of the game of basketball than your average good coach would be and he actually can transfer it to the players maybe except the latest run of CSKA.

I really hope DL pursues him to the end. He has already rejected Turkish teams and Turkish NT for many times, but if he comes to the Jazz, I can get to have the two best coaches of Europe on my two favorite teams. Obradovic on Fenerbahçe and Messina on Utah Jazz!!!
 
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franklin said:
A post offense specialist. On paper, his philosophy appears to fill the holes that Tyrone Corbin had. He carries a special focus on read and react, which is something Ty could never get Al Jefferson to do, and struggled getting this group to do up until devolving into the drive and dish heavy offense at season's end.

His words:



https://bmsi.ru/doc/f0fc952d-7d16-48ba-add3-dca393d2322f
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Is that on Ty or is that on the players not being smart enough? I assume it is a mixture of both. It can be taught to an extent but I also believe there are some players who are not mentally capable of playing "smart" basketball.
 
John Crotty said:
Is that on Ty or is that on the players not being smart enough? I assume it is a mixture of both. It can be taught to an extent but I also believe there are some players who are not mentally capable of playing "smart" basketball.
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Locke said something that resonated with me, while detailing the Jazz's miserable fast break production he said "of course it's not all on the players they have to be taught how to fast break." And it occurred to me that the players ran some very basic stuff all season. It didn't really evolve or have extra layers added to it. We didn't see evolution from anyone as far as increasing complexity of offense or defense.

If the jazz coaches had been coaching new stuff, pushing the players to new stuff then I believe we could expect to see flashes of it, even if it was only certain player combos who got it, while those not mentally capable of learning more complex systems would lag behind. But what we saw was the same stuff.
 
mellow said:
Locke said something that resonated with me, while detailing the Jazz's miserable fast break production he said "of course it's not all on the players they have to be taught how to fast break." And it occurred to me that the players ran some very basic stuff all season. It didn't really evolve or have extra layers added to it. We didn't see evolution from anyone as far as increasing complexity of offense or defense.

If the jazz coaches had been coaching new stuff, pushing the players to new stuff then I believe we could expect to see flashes of it, even if it was only certain player combos who got it, while those not mentally capable of learning more complex systems would lag behind. But what we saw was the same stuff.
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Keep in mind if the players refuse to listen or learn from someone for one reason or another then they aren't going to learn much.
I sincerely any lack of learning in this situation is pretty much 50-50 if you want to pass blame around.
 
I like a lot of the things I've read that are from Messina.

I'm interested to see if he can put the ideas into practice.
I definitely have less reservations about a possible hire of him than when I knew nothing about him.
 
Two things off the top of my head, when put together lend credence to the Messina rumors.

1 - DL said they will take their time to make the right hire, and not rush things.

2 - Messina and the Euro teams are still playing.

Just a thought.
 
I really like Messina, but can he do this?

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Triangle Man said:
Two things off the top of my head, when put together lend credence to the Messina rumors.

1 - DL said they will take their time to make the right hire, and not rush things.

2 - Messina and the Euro teams are still playing.

Just a thought.
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Do you like pasta?



Cos you're really stretching it.
 
It would be cool to watch a eurocoach teach euroball in the NBA, but I've heard he is hard on teams and players. That can get old in an 82 game schedule. But, he's not Jim Boylen.
 
franklin said:
A post offense specialist. On paper, his philosophy appears to fill the holes that Tyrone Corbin had. He carries a special focus on read and react, which is something Ty could never get Al Jefferson to do, and struggled getting this group to do up until devolving into the drive and dish heavy offense at season's end.

His words:



https://bmsi.ru/doc/f0fc952d-7d16-48ba-add3-dca393d2322f
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Corbin had holes in his coaching? Aw come on now Franklin you have made Corbin out to be perfect and put all the blame on the players. OK who kidnapped Franklin and replace him on Jazzfanz?
 
jazzrule said:
Corbin had holes in his coaching? Aw come on now Franklin you have made Corbin out to be perfect and put all the blame on the players. OK who kidnapped Franklin and replace him on Jazzfanz?
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Franklin has talked about issues in Corbin's coaching in the past. He may go a bit overboard, but at least he recognizes that Corbin isn't as bad a coach as the board seems to think.
 
sojodave said:
It would be cool to watch a eurocoach teach euroball in the NBA, but I've heard he is hard on teams and players. That can get old in an 82 game schedule. But, he's not Jim Boylen.
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I dont mind someone being hard on me if he truly knows what he's doing. I'd take that coaching style over someone who has no clue but tries hard to be your friend....



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sojodave said:
It would be cool to watch a eurocoach teach euroball in the NBA, but I've heard he is hard on teams and players. That can get old in an 82 game schedule. But, he's not Jim Boylen.
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He is one of the softest eurocoaches you can find around, but people say he has learned his lesson with Lakers and ready to tweak things for the NBA.
 
Franklin. You are the first person I have ever Repped. Now that I know how to. FML... Thanks for the link.
 
themanknownassting said:
Franklin. You are the first person I have ever Repped. Now that I know how to. FML... Thanks for the link.
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Locke said something interesting on his blog today about the spacing or lack thereof in Ty's offense all season vs. Pop's offensive system in SA of spreading the floor. Also he hinted that DL was not very happy with Ty's practice routines.
 
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