***Official new head coach search thread*** (merged)

[framer]

Listen to this guy over people who have connections to the Jazz.

No one is saying Boylen is a 100% hire, just that he is the name that is most often brought up in their circles.

Their circles > your opinion as a person out the organization

Do tell us the stories that these fools have broken about the Jazz. I know too many "reporters" to take the majority of them seriously. Again, some of them are trying to be controversial because it generates traffic. Everything that DL has done to this point tells me he is not an idiot. Hiring Boylen would be idiotic. I mean truly, mind-numbingly idiotic. The kind of stuff that leads to getting fired idiotic. Even if I had an insider and he told me this, I certainly wouldn't run with it. I would be pissed that he was trolling me. The fact that the national media is picking this up actually depresses me because it tells me they don't care about the Jazz enough to even try.

 

[infection]

Basically if Boylen wins, no on cares

If Boylen loses, people are just like "I told you so".

Win/Win for the asshats. You either get a winning team or a feeling of being right.

And this chaps your *** because it's a lose/lose for you?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Do tell us the stories that these fools have broken about the Jazz. I know too many "reporters" to take the majority of them seriously. Again, some of them are trying to be controversial because it generates traffic. Everything that DL has done to this point tells me he is not an idiot. Hiring Boylen would be idiotic. I mean truly, mind-numbingly idiotic. The kind of stuff that leads to getting fired idiotic. Even if I had an insider and he told me this, I certainly wouldn't run with it. I would be pissed that he was trolling me. The fact that the national media is picking this up actually depresses me because it tells me they don't care about the Jazz enough to even try.

Again, no one is breaking this as a story. They are simply saying that Boylen's name is the most discussed.

Boylen is very well respected in NBA circles.

“He’s been the best guy on almost every staff he’s ever been on,” an NBA general manager says last week prior to Ty Corbin’s departure from Utah. “And the fact that Pop hired him gives him the ultimate stamp of approval.”

He was previously on Indiana, who had a great, surprising year. Could that success be partially attributed to him? I would say that is a fair statement.

Pacers were upset with Boylen leaving for Spurs. He had a lot to do with Indiana’s offensive structure. "He did us dirty,” one player said.

I would be excited to get Boylen personally. I think a lot of Utah people are just scared because he was bad at Utah. College and NBA are different games. I hold his strong track record as assistant over his poor stint as a college head coach.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And this chaps your *** because it's a lose/lose for you?

I'm really not that invested in the HC search tbh. I can't say I know enough about coaching to for sure say what we need in a HC, especially when all the candidates we are talking about are mostly people with 0 NBA head coaching experience.

Personally I would rather go George Karl or Lionel Hollins, but if we are looking at unproven people, I don't see how Boylen isn't as exciting as any other candidate being talked about.

 

[The Midnight]

Ime Udoka is on the Spurs coaching staff. I guess he got the Spurs 'Stamp of Approval'?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Do tell us the stories that these fools have broken about the Jazz. I know too many "reporters" to take the majority of them seriously. Again, some of them are trying to be controversial because it generates traffic. Everything that DL has done to this point tells me he is not an idiot. Hiring Boylen would be idiotic. I mean truly, mind-numbingly idiotic. The kind of stuff that leads to getting fired idiotic. Even if I had an insider and he told me this, I certainly wouldn't run with it. I would be pissed that he was trolling me. The fact that the national media is picking this up actually depresses me because it tells me they don't care about the Jazz enough to even try.

Also, if this was simply "reporters trying to get views" why wouldn't they pick a more sexy name to be the imaginary "front runner"?

 

[The Midnight]

I'm really not that invested in the HC search tbh. I can't say I know enough about coaching to for sure say what we need in a HC, especially when all the candidates we are talking about are mostly people with 0 NBA head coaching experience.

Personally I would rather go George Karl or Lionel Hollins, but if we are looking at unproven people, I don't see how Boylen isn't as exciting as any other candidate being talked about.

Hollins in the top of my list. He's proven. He's steady. He had a similar roster to us in Memphis. Inside out, grind it out basketball.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Again, no one is breaking this as a story. They are simply saying that Boylen's name is the most discussed.

Boylen is very well respected in NBA circles.



He was previously on Indiana, who had a great, surprising year. Could that success be partially attributed to him? I would say that is a fair statement.



I would be excited to get Boylen personally. I think a lot of Utah people are just scared because he was bad at Utah. College and NBA are different games. I hold his strong track record as assistant over his poor stint as a college head coach.

Boylen won two titles with Houston as the big man coach! How could anyone not want this guy. He could develop Favors and Kanter! How was his tenure bad at Utah? He took them to the only tournament appearence in 8 years from 2006-2014 they went once.. When Boylen was the head coach. He had two losing seasons and was fired. He just didn't like recruiting and how can you blame him? Honestly it would be hard to get top recruits to come to Utah with programs like Kentucky, UCLA, Louisville, Florida, Arizona, etc. Popovich hired him as his top assistant so that is a seal of approval.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Hollins in the top of my list. He's proven. He's steady. He had a similar roster to us in Memphis. Inside out, grind it out basketball.

Who was replaced by Some Guy and they haven't really skipped a beat, all-in-all.

 

[The Midnight]

Spurs struggling right now vs Mavs. Can we attribute that to Boylens?

 

[The Midnight]

Who was replaced by Some Guy and they haven't really skipped a beat, all-in-all.

Who was it that developed Marc Gasol, Mike Conley, etc?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Spurs struggling right now vs Mavs. Can we attribute that to Boylens?

Yup, Boylen's fault VC hit that crazy shot that gave the Mavs the series lead.

 

[fishonjazz]

Funny how everyone wanted Ty gone but will they feel the same if the Jazz hire Boylen?

Probably..... usually fans want crappy coaches gone.

What is your point doe?

 

[The Midnight]

Yup, Boylen's fault VC hit that crazy shot that gave the Mavs the series lead.

They could have had the game won way before that. If you have to rely on luck, you're not doing your job.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Who was it that developed Marc Gasol, Mike Conley, etc?

Do you know that he did? And Marc Gasol was in his mid-20's when he came to the league.

I don't hate Hollins, but I don't like retreads that their former teams don't miss either.

 

[The Midnight]

Do you know that he did? And Marc Gasol was in his mid-20's when he came to the league.

I don't hate Hollins, but I don't like retreads that their former teams don't miss either.

Wouldn't say they don't 'miss' him, Memphis really struggled early on in the season and they only really came on strong at the end finishing 7th. Who knows what they would have done if Hollins was still the coach?


Granted, they're doing well in the playoffs, but guys like Udrih and Courtney Lee who the GM brought in this season have also stepped up.

 

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Wouldn't say they don't 'miss' him, Memphis really struggled early on in the season and they only really came on strong at the end finishing 7th. Who knows what they would have done if Hollins was still the coach?


Granted, they're doing well in the playoffs, but guys like Udrih and Courtney Lee who the GM brought in this season have also stepped up.

Surely you remember that Memphis had a truckload of injuries. Or, is this a bit of selective memory on your part?

There's no doubt in my mind that Memphis had maxed out with Hollins at the helm.

 

[ema]

Messina's last five years in European basketball was all failure.
Big clubs that chose him (after spending hugely into strong rosters) have been sorry (Real Madrid, CSKA).
While he has not been able to do it in Europe for a serious length of time now, I can't logically see how he will be successful in NBA basketball,
after whatever span of time he will need for adjusting.
If the Jazz will be patient enough to give him like 5 years, without rethinking about it regardless of pain in the meantime, they might look forward to shifting to a certain degree of "European basketball mentality", and I wouldn't understand why that would be desirable anyway (I am a European myself.)

That krespino guy who was dogging Messina obviously doesnt know what hes talking about.

Yeah, make no mistake about it. The bar is pretty high for a coach like Messina. I too said earlier that he wasn't at top of his performance lately in his career but he can't be called unsuccessful by any means. The only experiment that didn't work out for Messina as exactly people have hoped was the Real Madrid run which in fact he still managed to compete and had decent achievements.

But anyway, here is the last 5 years of Messina.. Believe me, there are very few coaches that have these achievements in their entire careers.

3x Russian championships(2008-2009-2013) [Russian league is arguably the best domestic league after the ACB(Spanish League) in Europe]
1x Euroleage Championship(2008) [the best league in the world after the NBA]
1x Euroleague Final (2009)
2x Euroleague Final Four (2011, 2014)
1x Euroleague Final Eight (2010)
2x ACB Copa del Rey Final (2010, 2011)
2x Third place in ACB (2010-2011)

And don't forget that he spent the 2011-2012 season in LA as just a consultant.

The claim that CSKA being sorry for having Messina is nothing but laughable. Why would they be sorry to have a coach that made them one of the most successful teams of European Basketball history? He won with CSKA 5 Russian league titles, 2 Russian Cups, 2 Euroleague titles and went to two Euroleague finals, one Euroleague third place and one another Euroleague Final Four that is still going on. The CSKA fans sometimes can be angry at him but they know they have one of the best coaches in the world and don't want him to leave.

What would you say the reason for that is? He had been very successful between 1998-2008.

And this. Even had he collapsed entirely the last five years, how does it mean that he can't be successful in the NBA?

 

[Bodhi]

Also, if this was simply "reporters trying to get views" why wouldn't they pick a more sexy name to be the imaginary "front runner"?

I don't know about sexy, but at least in this market no one would draw more ire, and therefor listenership/readership, than the possibilty of Boylen getting the job. For about 2-3 days sports talk radio paid the bills off of listeners venting about the prospect of Boylen.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Wouldn't say they don't 'miss' him, Memphis really struggled early on in the season and they only really came on strong at the end finishing 7th. Who knows what they would have done if Hollins was still the coach?


Granted, they're doing well in the playoffs, but guys like Udrih and Courtney Lee who the GM brought in this season have also stepped up.

1. This is all about the playoffs
2. Gasol missed most of the year and he is easily their best and most important player
3. When hiring Some Guy to coach your team, early struggles are to be expected. Refer back to points 1 and 2.