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How come AK isn't given any slack?

LifeOnaPlate said:
Can you think of 4 or 5 games where AK seemed disconnected on offense and defense enough to strongly impact the game?
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I'm not sure what qualifies under these conditions, but he's played poorly on a number of occasions, including:

@ Denver
@ Golden State
v. New Orleans
v. Dallas
v. Memphis

Are you arguing that AK brings consistent focus and effort every game? Wow.
 
Just to clarify, I've been a HUGE AK backer in the past, and still think he's a very good player (although obviously overpaid). I've gone to bat for him frequently. That doesn't change what seems to be a pretty large discrepancy between good AK and bad AK.

Also, AK and CJ's respective consistency issues highlight each other, making both look worse. When neither player has a good game, it's hard to ignore the suckitude.
 
LunaticWolf said:
Haven't seen last nights game yet.

Can you think of one before that?

I got one from Deron to AK against the Lakers, but thats about it.

We don't oop nearly as much as we did last season.
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Watson oop'd to Evans several times this year. Also, Elson had an alley-oop against the Mavs, then spread his arms like Jason Terry. We got waxed in that game though.

Oh, and AK has been the recipient of an alley-oop every few games.
 
TICC said:
I'm not sure what qualifies under these conditions, but he's played poorly on a number of occasions, including:

@ Denver
@ Golden State
v. New Orleans
v. Dallas
v. Memphis

Are you arguing that AK brings consistent focus and effort every game? Wow.
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Of course not. But Jefferson, D-Will, and every other Jazz player has had crap games. The first few games of the season DWill looked frustrated, then disinterested. Jefferson took a while to get more comfy, and against the Mavs he was terrible in the first half. Sap has blown a few games. Big deal.
 
//r00t 4 Jazz said:
I'm more on your lines of thinking but I think maybe TICC is seeing AK having a positive impact for the team but that he could be having an even bigger positive impact like last nights game for example.
But I could be wrong, it happens.... a lot.
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That's where I'm at for sure.
 
Also, poor shooting is especially hard to ignore, and AK has been terrible this season, his hot 3 streak at the start of the season notwithstanding.

In the 16 games before last night (the games since Millsap's 46...after which his shot attempts plummeted), AK shot under 40% while attempting over 9 shots per game. ick.
 
Wow so much what not in one thread -

I agree with all those who've noted that AK can't be judged rationally by most because of his contract.
Revolution 9 - no one who says "AK is playing great" thinks he's in a league with Dwade, Lebron or Kobe... the question is he if he's playing great for AK or not?
"Irregardless" is not a UTAH thing really, it is a local radio guy thing PK who says it as part of his schitck. ANd its been adopted here at JazzFanz

And AK has been playing well. I would even agree that it is great in AK terms. He does have inconsistencies BUT THAT IS A DESCRIPTION THAT APPLIES TO ALL NON-SUPERSTARS (well, i think Hayward has been consistent... but we are talking about significant contributors) To be consistent is to be good. If you are better than everyone else then your game is more consistent.

AK had a great game last night. As Fanz i think we'd rejoice.
 
TICC said:
Also, poor shooting is especially hard to ignore, and AK has been terrible this season, his hot 3 streak at the start of the season notwithstanding.

In the 16 games before last night (the games since Millsap's 46...after which his shot attempts plummeted), AK shot under 40% while attempting over 9 shots per game. ick.
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He's avg. 41%. Not great but not terrible. He was 2-2 from behind the arc last night by the way. His 3pt% is higher than Miles's. DWill went ice cold from the three for a few games, should he quit shooting?
 
oldtimer said:
AK has played great this year. Great, and yet he has two "bad games" and I have to read new threads about trading AK for trash, and how its time to go, or he should re-sign next year for 3 to 4 million. Good grief. In the game he shot 1-10 he still played terrific defense. Next game Lebron goes off and people go crazy saying James was sagging off AK and daring him to shot. James is one of the best players to ever play the game and I've seen him go off many many times.

The truth is AK is overpaid. So what, there is nothing that can be done about that, but why all the hate. If you ignore what he makes and judge him solely by how he has played this year you have to conclude he has been fantastic. Yes he's had a couple of bad games, so has Deron. Give the guy a break.
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Salty?

The hyperbole is beyond ludicrous speed.
 
BTW, Bryant and Durrant are averaging 43.8 and 42.3% respectively. I'm not saying AK is a better shooter, or that he is an equal offensive threat. You brought up percentages though, so it bears consideration.
 
LifeOnaPlate said:
BTW, Bryant and Durrant are averaging 43.8 and 42.3% respectively. I'm not saying AK is a better shooter, or that he is an equal offensive threat. You brought up percentages though, so it bears consideration.
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How often is AK called on to take shots when the offense breaks down? To end quarters/games? To win games?

AK is given loads of room to shoot J's and slash to the basket, FAR MORE than Kevin Durrant and Kobe, and he should be capitalizing on his opportunities. The comparison is not a good one.
 
TICC said:
How often is AK called on to take shots when the offense breaks down? To end quarters/games? To win games?

AK is given loads of room to shoot J's and slash to the basket, FAR MORE than Kevin Durrant and Kobe, and he should be capitalizing on his opportunities. The comparison is not a good one.
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My point is that we have to consider respective roles in the offense. The comparison was geared to show the problem with your simple citation of fg% in 16 games or whatever.
 
One of AK's biggest problems with being consistent is that he doesn't have a go to shot. Teams slack off of him so he ends up being an inconsistent jump shooter. I agree that he may be a better 4 than a 3, but a 4 needs to be able to post-up and AK has no inside moves besides flaying his arms and hoping the ref bails him out. I think people who praise him for for having a descent game once in a while forget HE IS A MAX PLAYER! He definitely should be averaging more than 12 points a game. Giving AK a max contract is the worse contract in Jazz history.
 
LifeOnaPlate said:
Watson oop'd to Evans several times this year. Also, Elson had an alley-oop against the Mavs, then spread his arms like Jason Terry. We got waxed in that game though.

Oh, and AK has been the recipient of an alley-oop every few games.
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We had two or three oops a game last season, especially at home, with Miles, Ak Brewer, etc.
 
sojodave said:
... forget HE IS A MAX PLAYER! He definitely should be averaging more than 12 points a game. Giving AK a max contract is the worse contract in Jazz history.
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People stuck on this "max player" garbage...give me a break. Worst in Jazz history? It's certainly overpriced, but the worst? You must be a young fellow like me to be so short-sighted.
 
LifeOnaPlate said:
My point is that we have to consider respective roles in the offense. The comparison was geared to show the problem with your simple citation of fg% in 16 games or whatever.
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These considerations hurt AK IMO. His role is to hit wide open shots and slash to the basket for layups. Kobe and KD would absolutely kill if they only had to hit the shots AK is asked to hit.
 
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