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"Toxic brand"?

So the offer is what, AK, #9 and Memphis pick for #2 and Brand?

I just want to look at the possible salaries for that. And I'm rounding for convenience.

10-11

Brand: $16M
Williams: $15M
Okur: $9.5M
Millsap: $6.2M (Is this the real cap hit? I know there has been some debate on this.)
#2: $3.9M
Miles: $3.7M
Price: $1.4M
Koufos: $1.3M

$57M for 8 players. 5 more needed. Matthews, Korver? Gaines, Jeffers? Salary cap around 60M? Luxury around 70M?

Not really a big change with Kirilenko and the #9 really. It's the next year.

11-12

Brand: $17M
Williams: $16.3M
Okur: $10.9M
Millsap: $6.7M
#2: $4.2M
Miles: $3.7M (T)
Koufos: $2.2M (T)

$61M for 7 players? Come on. Is that the core you want? Add a probable Matthews at say 4 mil and that's over 65 million for 8 players. So 5 million for 5 players to avoid the tax? I know it's not your money, but I doubt the Jazz are a viable franchise being in the luxury tax every year.

And, contrary to a post earlier, after 11-12, Okur is off, Williams can opt out, but Brand is on the hook for another year near 19 mil. Hell of a thing to think it'll be easy to pass 19 mil off to a team as an expiring without taking on bad salaries in return.

Is Brand worth that crippling of a payroll with fringe players making up 40% of the roster? Quite the gamble.

Basically we would be giving up any chance of a free agent in 2011-2012 for Brand and Turner.

Now our starting lineup would be
Deron
Matthews
Turner
Brand
Okur(Assuming he gets healthy)

With Miles and Millsap as first guys off the bench.

The Okur part of if is making think this is a bad gamble. Assuming that Okur cannot play to the level of the last couple of years we would be better off with some more flexibility.
 
All this talk about jepordizing our financial future is nonsense. The only way we end up under the cap in the near future is if we are in complete rebuilding mode. Who, exactly, in any of the upcoming free agent classes do we think we're going to land? We're not going to sign anybody big, cap space or not. Sure, we may pick up a solid role player (i.e. a center who scores 10 points and grabs 8 boards, or a shooting guard who scores 13 points with a decent outside shot), but is this the guy we'd rather have on the roster in three years than Turner? In three years, when Brand would have come and gone, we will bemoan our fate as a perennial playoff team not quite good enough to advance, while salivating over the thought of being able to have someone like Turner on our roster. Yeah, we may be too close to the luxury tax to use our mid-level exception to sign "that guy" who provides a nice energy spark off the bench but seriously, who cares?

We've been competitive for a long time. I don't get excited about getting knocked out in the first and second round, regardless of how well we did in the regular season or how much of a "fight" we put up, or how we "could have" if we were healthy, more experience, etc. It's time to roll the damn dice.
 
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All this talk about jepordizing our financial future is nonsense. The only way we end up under the cap in the near future is if we are in complete rebuilding mode. Who, exactly, in any of the upcoming free agent classes do we think we're going to land? We're not going to sign anybody big, cap space or not. Sure, we may pick up a solid role player (i.e. a center who scores 10 points and grabs 8 boards, or a shooting guard who scores 13 points with a decent outside shot), but is this the guy we'd rather have on the roster in three years than Turner? In three years, when Brand would have come and gone, we will bemoan our fate as a perennial playoff team not quite good enough to advance, while salivating over the thought of being able to have someone like Turner on our roster. Yeah, we may be too close to the luxury tax to use our mid-level exception to sign "that guy" who provides a nice energy spark off the bench but seriously, who cares?

We've been competitive for a long time. I don't get excited about getting knocked out in the first and second round, regardless of how well we did in the regular season or how much of a "fight" we put up, or how we "could have" if we were healthy, more experience, etc. It's time to roll the damn dice.

I agree with pretty much all of this. It comes down to this.... we will NEVER be a player in the free agent market. Not to the extent of luring "that guy". Franchise changing free agents aren't coming to Utah, so our only real option is to MAKE franchise POTENTIAL guys come here via draft.

To me it's the lesser of two evils: one is to have to overpay even for a mid-range free agent (Boozer/Okur at the time they first came) and have their large contract on the books but never have "that guy", and the other is to sacrifice some pretty big pieces (take on Brand's salary) in a move get a "that guy" in the draft. To me one gets you maybe to the WCF here and there and in the playoffs on a consistent basis, the other puts you in a realistic position to play for a title. What we as fans want and what the FO wants are possibly a bit different, but I for one want to see signs that this franchise is very much wanting a title and not just "consistently good".
 
I agree with pretty much all of this. It comes down to this.... we will NEVER be a player in the free agent market. Not to the extent of luring "that guy". Franchise changing free agents aren't coming to Utah, so our only real option is to MAKE franchise POTENTIAL guys come here via draft.

To me it's the lesser of two evils: one is to have to overpay even for a mid-range free agent (Boozer/Okur at the time they first came) and have their large contract on the books but never have "that guy", and the other is to sacrifice some pretty big pieces (take on Brand's salary) in a move get a "that guy" in the draft. To me one gets you maybe to the WCF here and there and in the playoffs on a consistent basis, the other puts you in a realistic position to play for a title. What we as fans want and what the FO wants are possibly a bit different, but I for one want to see signs that this franchise is very much wanting a title and not just "consistently good".

Exactly we aren't getting a Bosh or Wade type free agent to sign with us and especially not someone like Lebron, so the only way to land guys that are all-star caliber is via trade and draft, and we have that opportunity with the pieces we have with the trade exceptions, expiring (AK) contracts, and a lottery pick and perhaps a future lottery pick in the Memphis pick.
 
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Looks like Chad Ford/ESPN invented this "rumor" about the 76ers looking to dump Brand and the #2 pick. All signs point to them picking (and being very happy with) Evan Turner.
 
Looks like Chad Ford/ESPN invented this "rumor" about the 76ers looking to dump Brand and the #2 pick. All signs point to them picking (and being very happy with) Evan Turner.
Did something happen besides people realizing that Ford is an aggregious hack?

But yeah. I've seen no evidence that the Sixers are shopping the pick when disregarding Ford.
 
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