Pres. Of Baskettball Operations Says Interesting Things About Draft, Tomic, and Neto...

[GVC]

Who is this beefy 5 with no O that the jazz plan on playing next to favors that you speak of?

They don't have one. My point is that the Jazz need some offense from their frontline. Favors isn't giving it to them. He needs to be a more well-rounded defensive player so the Jazz can play an offensive specialist next to him. It's unlikely they find a Tim Duncan type who can be a plus on both defense at the 5 and on offense.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I really don't get why people think Favors is undersized at the 5. Favors was listed as heavier than all but 7 starting centers this season, and his standing reach is right in the middle of the pack. Dude has better than average size at the 5.

It's because he said it himself, IIRC. I can't find the article right now, but he said that he found it more difficult to defend centers this season than power forwards in previous seasons-- something to that tune.

 

[fishonjazz]

They don't have one. My point is that the Jazz need some offense from their frontline. Favors isn't giving it to them. He needs to be a more well-rounded defensive player so the Jazz can play an offensive specialist next to him. It's unlikely they find a Tim Duncan type who can be a plus on both defense at the 5 and on offense.

Embiid baby!

 

[Deleted member 848]

Unless there is some master plan to trade Kanter to move up in the draft.

that's what I'm saying. If they're confident that Kanter has peaked defensively, or they think they can get great value out of him, then now is the time to swap for a higher pick IMO (pending that you bring over Tomic, and draft Vonleh).

Personally, I'm expecting Kanter to have a way better season next year.

 

[GVC]

Personally, I'm expecting Kanter to have a way better season next year.

Dude's a complete ****ing prima donna. If they can get half decent value for him, they should pull the trigger. Hopefully he plays well and increases his trade stock this summer.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I think saying Tomic having an impact on who we draft is crazy.

It's kind of like your employer is offering you a $100 gift card to Target, Best Buy, Oliver Garden, Texas Roadhouse, Lagoon or Walmart, and you're going to let your Long John Silvers coupon of $2 off an order over $20 sway you away from burning your gift card on a restaurant.

It's more like having two gift cards to use in one evening. If you have cards to Olive Garden and Long John Silvers, you have to eat two dinners - one right after the other. So you either eat a little at one restaurant and a little at the other, or you just have a drink and a dessert at the 2nd restaurant. Isn't it a better use of assets to have just one dinner and have the other card to use at Target or Lagoon?

If Tomic comes over, there is no reason to draft Vonleh...unless the Jazz are already committed to trading Favors or Kanter. Enes and Derrick both need 30 mins, leaving 18 each for Tomic and Gobert.
If the draft grades are pretty close for Vonleh, Gordon and Smart, then you factor in need. And with that in mind, either Gordon or Smart would be a great fit.

 

[GVC]

Tomic is good, but do you really think he'd start over Kanter?

Never answered this. Yes, I think Tomic would (or at least should) start over Kanter. Kanter's garbage.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Dude's a complete ****ing prima donna. If they can get half decent value for him, they should pull the trigger. Hopefully he plays well and increases his trade stock this summer.

A lot can change in a year. I remember you were a lot more down on Burks last offseason.

I am open to trading him if we draft Vonleh, and the FO believe in him.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Never answered this. Yes, I think Tomic would (or at least should) start over Kanter. Kanter's garbage.

Based on last season's performance, and his level of BBIQ during last season, starting Tomic would make more sense actually. A more versatile offensive player, who isn't as big of a black hole as Kanter. Kanter's ceiling is way higher-- but with every passing season of no dramatic BBIQ improvements, I get a bit more suspicious.

Either-way, I anticipate a big offseason from Kanter, and I expect improvements from his defense, and his offensive awareness.

 

[GVC]

A lot can change in a year. I remember you were a lot more down on Burks last offseason.

I am open to trading him if we draft Vonleh, and the FO believe in him.

My opinion of Kanter has shifted a hell of a lot more than my opinion of Burks (who I thought could round into a decent 6th man).

Kanter looked like he might have the ability to round into a passable offensive hub. The end-of-season nonsense, where he effectively stated that defense doesn't matter (which came as no surprise, considering his play throughout the season) and that he deserved big minutes regardless of his play was an eye opener. Basketball is a team game, and Kanter simply doesn't have the ability to play as though he's the only player on the court. He seems to think he does, unfortunately.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Based on last season's performance, and his level of BBIQ during last season, starting Tomic would make more sense actually. A more versatile offensive player, who isn't as big of a black hole as Kanter. Kanter's ceiling is way higher-- but with every passing season of no dramatic BBIQ improvements, I get a bit more suspicious.

Either-way, I anticipate a big offseason from Kanter, and I expect improvements from his defense, and his offensive awareness.

The FO has to believe in him.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Never answered this. Yes, I think Tomic would (or at least should) start over Kanter. Kanter's garbage.

I disagree. I also think he could be the offensive C that Favors needs.

Is it Kanter's defense that has you so low on him? Because, if it is, this is something that everyone on our team has struggled with who isn't instinctually good at it. Ty just didn't have defensive schemes that worked for anyone, and the only players that looked somewhat good were those who have natural ability for it. Defense is something he has never been taught, so it is a little unreasonable to be upset that he didn't succeed at it the first year he saw consistent minutes, while playing for a coach that didn't know how to teach it in the first place.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

If the Jazz have an open roster spot and need a bench player, I would be happy if they took Evans again.

I like him, but more than that I was impressed with his improved game this past year with the additional time he got. He didn't get pushed around as much as I thought he would, and he made some plays defensively and shockingly offensively (that weren't dunks).

 

[NUMBERICA]

My opinion of Kanter has shifted a hell of a lot more than my opinion of Burks (who I thought could round into a decent 6th man).

Kanter looked like he might have the ability to round into a passable offensive hub. The end-of-season nonsense, where he effectively stated that defense doesn't matter (which came as no surprise, considering his play throughout the season) and that he deserved big minutes regardless of his play was an eye opener. Basketball is a team game, and Kanter simply doesn't have the ability to play as though he's the only player on the court. He seems to think he is, unfortunately.

I'm not familiar with this end-of-season nonsense.

 

[fishonjazz]

My opinion of Kanter has shifted a hell of a lot more than my opinion of Burks (who I thought could round into a decent 6th man).

Kanter looked like he might have the ability to round into a passable offensive hub. The end-of-season nonsense, where he effectively stated that defense doesn't matter (which came as no surprise, considering his play throughout the season) and that he deserved big minutes regardless of his play was an eye opener. Basketball is a team game, and Kanter simply doesn't have the ability to play as though he's the only player on the court. He seems to think he is, unfortunately.

The big question.
Is 21 years old the time when a person hits thier maturity level and basketball level peak?
Or is thier a chance for a 21 year old to improve as a basketball player and change his attitude too?

 

[Beantown]

I really don't get why people think Favors is undersized at the 5. Favors was listed as heavier than all but 7 starting centers this season, and his standing reach is right in the middle of the pack. Dude has better than average size at the 5.

He's 6'10. Most good teams have 7 footers at the 5.

 

[GVC]

I'm not familiar with this end-of-season nonsense.

The **** about playing time, and the second hand stuff (via RJ) about offense being more important than defense, which Kanter didn't deny. Enes plays like he's the only player on the court, and he talks like that's the right approach. If he had the ability to back that up, great. He doesn't.

 

[NUMBERICA]

He's 6'10. Most good teams have 7 footers at the 5.

I must be ****ing high to have "liked" this. Whoops.

Anyway, those "most good team"'s "7 footers" must do all of their good work with the tops of their heads I guess.

 

[Beantown]

I must be ****ing high to have "liked" this. Whoops.

Anyway, those "most good team"'s "7 footers" must do all of their good work with the tops of their heads I guess.

So then what is your excuse for Derrick Favors ****ty defensive numbers? He's not Joakim Noah or Serge Ibaka like some poeple on here try to suggest he is.

 

[GVC]

He's 6'10. Most good teams have 7 footers at the 5.

Simply false. 2 of the 8 conference semi-finalists, 1 of the 4 conference finalists, and neither of the league finalists started 7-footers at the 5 in this year's playoffs. Jesus.