Hate on it haters.

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Who cares if it kills the cap space next season if it's all that extra fat just drops off after it ends? Favors Asik frontcourt would dominate the league.

So we are going to have the same problem as the Rockets. Asik and Howard couldn't co-exist as neither could play the perimeter. News flash... Favors can't play out on the perimeter either.


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[Sexual Favors]

No.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Lol. I better get repped for not blowing up on tony for this really stupid trade offer. Pos or neg. I don't care


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[Tony]

I care... it doesn't make us a playoff team and doesn't get us a noteworthy future asset. Plus it kills our cap the next year, because Gordon ain't opting out of his $15 M player option.

This is an expensive minimal short term gain that sets back the long-term plan. I've already given it too much of my time.

Since when does being 45 mil under cap make a team playoff contenders? Add his 15 mil to what the 2015-16 team salary will probably be and the Jazz are still 20 mil under cap... How does it set the team back exactly?

 

[Tony]

So we are going to have the same problem as the Rockets. Asik and Howard couldn't co-exist as neither could play the perimeter. News flash... Favors can't play out on the perimeter either.


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Vonleh can play the perimeter though. probably. Or Gordon perhaps. Whoever it is though, they have a year to play behind Favors. Then the year after, Favors goes back to,5 and Vonleh/Gordon starts at 4. But regardless, 50 dorrars says whoever the Jazz draft at 5 is gonna be a backup next season

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Favors and Asik wouldn't co-exist though because they both wanted to start and Asik was relegated to bench duty, because he and Howard plays the same position


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[Tony]

Favors and Asik wouldn't co-exist though because they both wanted to start and Asik was relegated to bench duty, because he and Howard plays the same position


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The only difference is that Favors prefers playing 4. Both Howard and Asik knew they were 5's therefore they couldn't coexist. It's not like Favors and Asik would be fighting for minutes. Both would be starters. Favors would play 4, whoop ***, Asik would play 5, whoop ***.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We aren't playoff contender either way... I'd rather use the cap space to pick up first rounders or young guys with upside. And your cap projection is way off. Say it is $65 M... We pay Favors $13 M, Hayward $11-13 M, and Burks $7-8 M, plus Gordon at $15 M puts us at $46 M... Burke, Gobert, and the 5th pick & 23rd pick is another $7 M. Puts us at $53 M for 8 players... add in cap holds and we're right around $10 M in cap space.

The fact is cap space is an asset... Your trade makes bad use of an asset and really doesn't fit with what we are doing. The reality of our situation is that it probably does not help us to win 5-8 more games next year. We aren't close enough to make a win now trade. It would actually set us back to win an extra few games this year. Had we lost 3 more games this year, we'd likely have a better draft pick right now. Having Marvin and RJ lead us to a couple extra wins this year hurt the long-term outlook of the franchise.

I'd be on board if NO and HOU were sending a bunch of picks to make this happen.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Vonleh can play the perimeter though. probably. Or Gordon perhaps. Whoever it is though, they have a year to play behind Favors. Then the year after, Favors goes back to,5 and Vonleh/Gordon starts at 4. But regardless, 50 dorrars says whoever the Jazz draft at 5 is gonna be a backup next season

Yes, if the Jazz stay at #5 - or move back - that player will definitely be a backup initially. Gordon, Favors, Exum and Smart all need time to develop. Lindsey touched on this in an interview right after the combine saying the discussions they had in their interviews were very frank in telling prospects there were starters in front of them. I think DL was trying to determine which players would be driven to develop and improve to force the Jazz to give them PT vs. players who would mope because they felt "entitled" to be starters.

 

[Tony]

We aren't playoff contender either way... I'd rather use the cap space to pick up first rounders or young guys with upside. And your cap projection is way off. Say it is $65 M... We pay Favors $13 M, Hayward $11-13 M, and Burks $7-8 M, plus Gordon at $15 M puts us at $46 M... Burke, Gobert, and the 5th pick & 23rd pick is another $7 M. Puts us at $53 M for 8 players... add in cap holds and we're right around $10 M in cap space.

The fact is cap space is an asset... Your trade makes bad use of an asset and really doesn't fit with what we are doing. The reality of our situation is that it probably does not help us to win 5-8 more games next year. We aren't close enough to make a win now trade. It would actually set us back to win an extra few games this year. Had we lost 3 more games this year, we'd likely have a better draft pick right now. Having Marvin and RJ lead us to a couple extra wins this year hurt the long-term outlook of the franchise.

I'd be on board if NO and HOU were sending a bunch of picks to make this happen.

Um, did I not involve draft picks? Pretty sure I did big fella.

 

[Tony]

Yes, if the Jazz stay at #5 - or move back - that player will definitely be a backup initially. Gordon, Favors, Exum and Smart all need time to develop. Lindsey touched on this in an interview right after the combine saying the discussions they had in their interviews were very frank in telling prospects there were starters in front of them. I think DL was trying to determine which players would be driven to develop and improve to force the Jazz to give them PT vs. players who would mope because they felt "entitled" to be starters.

So why not have a Favors and Asik lockdown defense frontcourt while #5 develops and we can start him the season after when Asik is gone and #5 can play alongside Favors?

 

[nateboz]

The Jazz need a all star. Not a bunch of overpriced role players

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