Hate on it haters.

[Stifle Tower]

Vonleh can play the perimeter though. probably. Or Gordon perhaps. Whoever it is though, they have a year to play behind Favors. Then the year after, Favors goes back to,5 and Vonleh/Gordon starts at 4. But regardless, 50 dorrars says whoever the Jazz draft at 5 is gonna be a backup next season

Yes, if the Jazz stay at #5 - or move back - that player will definitely be a backup initially. Gordon, Favors, Exum and Smart all need time to develop. Lindsey touched on this in an interview right after the combine saying the discussions they had in their interviews were very frank in telling prospects there were starters in front of them. I think DL was trying to determine which players would be driven to develop and improve to force the Jazz to give them PT vs. players who would mope because they felt "entitled" to be starters.

 

[Tony]

We aren't playoff contender either way... I'd rather use the cap space to pick up first rounders or young guys with upside. And your cap projection is way off. Say it is $65 M... We pay Favors $13 M, Hayward $11-13 M, and Burks $7-8 M, plus Gordon at $15 M puts us at $46 M... Burke, Gobert, and the 5th pick & 23rd pick is another $7 M. Puts us at $53 M for 8 players... add in cap holds and we're right around $10 M in cap space.

The fact is cap space is an asset... Your trade makes bad use of an asset and really doesn't fit with what we are doing. The reality of our situation is that it probably does not help us to win 5-8 more games next year. We aren't close enough to make a win now trade. It would actually set us back to win an extra few games this year. Had we lost 3 more games this year, we'd likely have a better draft pick right now. Having Marvin and RJ lead us to a couple extra wins this year hurt the long-term outlook of the franchise.

I'd be on board if NO and HOU were sending a bunch of picks to make this happen.

Um, did I not involve draft picks? Pretty sure I did big fella.

 

[Tony]

Yes, if the Jazz stay at #5 - or move back - that player will definitely be a backup initially. Gordon, Favors, Exum and Smart all need time to develop. Lindsey touched on this in an interview right after the combine saying the discussions they had in their interviews were very frank in telling prospects there were starters in front of them. I think DL was trying to determine which players would be driven to develop and improve to force the Jazz to give them PT vs. players who would mope because they felt "entitled" to be starters.

So why not have a Favors and Asik lockdown defense frontcourt while #5 develops and we can start him the season after when Asik is gone and #5 can play alongside Favors?

 

[nateboz]

The Jazz need a all star. Not a bunch of overpriced role players

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[Tony]

The Jazz need a all star. Not a bunch of overpriced role players

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Which all-star are the Jazz going to get next season? Realistically? Who wants to play for us even with all the money we can throw at them? What do we have that we can trade for an allstar?
Deal with it. No allstar wants to come play for Mormon City Utah and we don't have good enough assetts yet that we can trade for one. That's why they have to continue to compile assetts through crappy trades like this. Which city do you people think this is?

 

[nateboz]

Which all-star are the Jazz going to get next season?

It might take a mid season trade. Or even till next offseason. You don't waist your valuable cap space for overrated role players.

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[Tony]

Or even till next offseason. You don't waist your valuable cap space for overrated role players.

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You realize that next offseason these overrated role players wont even be on the team, right? Their salaries wont be on the books. You realize this, right? Eric Gordon will be on the books once he re-ups but that's why you poach the Pelicans for a high/unprotected draft pick in 2017.

 

[Tony]

Which all-star are the Jazz going to get next season? Realistically? Who wants to play for us even with all the money we can throw at them? What do we have that we can trade for an allstar?
Deal with it. No allstar wants to come play for Mormon City Utah and we don't have good enough assetts yet that we can trade for one. That's why they have to continue to compile assetts through crappy trades like this. Which city do you people think this is?

Read this peoples. Deal with it. Y'all know i'm right
I mean, damn. We had Deron Williams and even having an all-star like him he couldn't recruit any players to come to this godforsaken godfearing boring *** state of Utah

 

[Stifle Tower]

So why not have a Favors and Asik lockdown defense frontcourt while #5 develops and we can start him the season after when Asik is gone and #5 can play alongside Favors?

SO we're helping Houston dump salary (Lin and Asik not long-term solutions) and in the process also giving up a pretty good Euro prospect. They're giving us maybe a pick in the late 20's? Maybe they go for it if they have a FA waiting to sign (a la Iggy/Golden State). Otherwise, I think they see Asik as having good value to trade. Weren't they wanting a 1st for him at the deadline?

We're not winning a chip next season. Why not let Kanter and Favors start, and still give plenty of minutes to Gobert and the #5 (Vonleh?). Then Kanter has >>>> value than an overpriced guard with bad knees if/when the Jazz want to trade him. And Utah still has $20M+ to use for either a good, young FA with a healthy body, or on a salary dump that brings in better assets.

 

[nateboz]

You realize that next offseason these overrated role players wont even be on the team, right? Their salaries wont be on the books. You realize this, right? Eric Gordon will be on the books once he re-ups but that's why you poach the Pelicans for a high/unprotected draft pick in 2017.

So what's the point of trading Kanter and the 23 for 2 guys who won't be on the team after 1 season.
The jazz are building not taking steps in reverse.
Eric Gordon is a bad egg. He is a injury prone baby. I wouldn't expect new Orleans to be bad enough to warrant taking his awful contract.

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[Tony]

We're not winning a chip next season. Why not let Kanter and Favors start, and still give plenty of minutes to Gobert and the #5 (Vonleh?). Then Kanter has >>>> value than an overpriced guard with bad knees if/when the Jazz want to trade him. And Utah still has $20M+ to use for either a good, young FA with a healthy body, or on a salary dump that brings in better assets.

Good point. As for the Rockets trade, a 20's pick is still good to have especially in 2017 with a draft that will likely be stacked. That's a good trade chip in many we'll need to get a good player here.

 

[Tony]

So what's the point of trading Kanter and the 23 for 2 guys who won't be on the team after 1 season.
The jazz are building not taking steps in reverse.
Eric Gordon is a bad egg. He is a injury prone baby. I wouldn't expect new Orleans to be bad enough to warrant taking his awful contract.

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I'm gonna bookmark this post for when the 2017 draft comes around and their pick turns out to be an all-star calibur player.

And it's actually Tomic' rights for those two guys. Not Kanter and 23

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Um, did I not involve draft picks? Pretty sure I did big fella.

Yeah you had us giving one up in a great draft for "future pick" Sounds awfully neutral. Take out the #23, Kanter, and Tomic add unprotected pick or picks from NO and we are closer. EG is a big negative value for NO and will take a lot to move him. He's also got a piss poor attitude.

Also, we'd be paying $30 M for Lin and Asik this year even though the cap hit is $16 M. That's a lot of dough for a one year rental of backups to swap our first rounder this year for Houston's next year.... and use all of our cap space.

We are getting .25 on the dollar in this trade.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Yeah you had us giving one up in a great draft for "future pick" Sounds awfully neutral. Take out the #23, Kanter, and Tomic add unprotected pick or picks from NO and we are closer. EG is a big negative value for NO and will take a lot to move him. He's also got a piss poor attitude.

Also, we'd be paying $30 M for Lin and Asik this year even though the cap hit is $16 M. That's a lot of dough for a one year rental of backups to swap our first rounder this year for Houston's next year.... and use all of our cap space.

We are getting .25 on the dollar in this trade.

OUCH! That's a great point. No one is going to take on those contracts. Keep Tomic, and require them to give us #1 picks in 2015, 2017 and 2019. WE give up a 2nd rounder next season.
On the other hand, why? Outside of 2017, late 1sts can usually be bought for $3M (DL did it to get Gobert).

 

[Tony]

Yeah you had us giving one up in a great draft for "future pick" Sounds awfully neutral. Take out the #23, Kanter, and Tomic add unprotected pick or picks from NO and we are closer. EG is a big negative value for NO and will take a lot to move him. He's also got a piss poor attitude.

Also, we'd be paying $30 M for Lin and Asik this year even though the cap hit is $16 M. That's a lot of dough for a one year rental of backups to swap our first rounder this year for Houston's next year.... and use all of our cap space.

We are getting .25 on the dollar in this trade.

I'd gladly trade Kanter and 23 in this draft for a guaranteed top 5 in 2017. New Orleans sucks Pelican eggs. Jazz are gonna trade Tomic rights anyway, getting a better Center for a year plus a pick in an awesome '17 draft? Hell ya! And who are we gonna sign this season to backup Burke that's better than Lin? JLIII? LOL!

Go to the Kings fanboard, mister "I'm in Sacramento."

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

OUCH! That's a great point. No one is going to take on those contracts. Keep Tomic, and require them to give us #1 picks in 2015, 2017 and 2019. WE give up a 2nd rounder next season.
On the other hand, why? Outside of 2017, late 1sts can usually be bought for $3M (DL did it to get Gobert).

I think LA ends up taking Lin and Asik to preserve 2015 space and try and stay competitive this year... can't see a non-playoff small market team biting that bullet.

 

[Tony]

I think LA ends up taking Lin and Asik to preserve 2015 space and try and stay competitive this year... can't see a non-playoff small market team biting that bullet.

Try and stay competetive? But how will they ever do that with 2 overrated role players?

 

[Stifle Tower]

I think LA ends up taking Lin and Asik to preserve 2015 space and try and stay competitive this year... can't see a non-playoff small market team biting that bullet.

Conceivable. They would then have the inside track on re-signing them for 2015/16. Kobe, Lebron, Asik and Lin would be a decent foundation. Add to that the player they get this year (Randle?) and a likely lottery pick next season: not bad.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'd gladly trade Kanter and 23 in this draft for a guaranteed top 5 in 2017. New Orleans sucks Pelican eggs. Jazz are gonna trade Tomic rights anyway, getting a better Center for a year plus a pick in an awesome '17 draft? Hell ya! And who are we gonna sign this season to backup Burke that's better than Lin? JLIII? LOL!

Go to the Kings fanboard, mister "I'm in Sacramento."

Utah born and raised... Moved to Sacramento because I like golfing in December.

New Orleans has maybe the 3rd best player in the league on their roster and he'll be hitting his prime right about 2017. They will likely be the next team to move to a big market when they sell... and they will sell. They have mismanaged their capspace and have misfitting talent, but I'd gladly swap rosters to get Anthony Davis.

Also are you scouting Junior High kids... Who the flip knows what the 2017 draft will be like... they are talking about making kids go to college for two years... maybe we should start overpaying for 2018 picks now. Banking on the 2017 draft now would be a bit foolish.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Try and stay competetive? But how will they ever do that with 2 overrated role players?

They are trying to preserve their 2015 cap space for Westbrook, Love and others. They may be interested in renting two decent players ( i never said they were overrated ). They are trying to win this year... I don't think we are.