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2011 NBA Draft revisited...

I think people are overlooking Burks a bit. In the time he's been in the league, I feel he's been under utilized, and feel he can handle more responsibility. I actually feel his game is similar to Hayward's game, the one difference being athletic and physical skill sets. I wasn't always this into Burks, but he finally did get regular minutes, and I finally saw improvement in his game. I'd like to see him start this year, and given an opertunity to be the #1 option.
 
The Blue Elephant said:
Weren't you the same guy who would brag day and night about how amazing Jonas FT % was and that since he had better FT% than Kanter it meant he had more offensive potential than Kanter? Now that Jonas has had comparable FT% to Kanter you have used PER instead as part of your metric to determine Jonas is better than Kanter because he has a whopping <0.5 per point over Kanter.
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Dude, I said better shooting and rebounding as well. Means better FG% better FT% and better rebounds. All of that with lesser usage rate and involvement on offense. Look at all advanced stats you want - Jonas is better.
 
illyasova said:
Valanciunas at 3 in this list? .
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He was nr.2 on that list before finals. Spurs were offering Parker for JV before the draft, that's how high they valued him. Think about it this way - would Toronto trade Jonas for any of those players bellow him? No. They would not even trade him for Irwing or Leonard, he is franchise type center and will be All-star easily in 2 years. Heck he is already better than Hibbert at every aspect of the game except shot blocking and Hibbert was All star last year lol.
 
addictionary said:
I can't decide that easily. Even though it has been said too many times and 3 seasons have passed, it's still early to tell which has the upside in long term. I still wanna see Enes play under another coach who will allow him to do everything and Enes won't look back at the bench to his coach (Ty) after every ****ing mistake he does on the floor. At the end of the season he grew a pair and **** all over Ty management. This alone is promising Enes is growing in head. Maybe this will affect his BBIQ no?
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So you think a change of coaches should impact a players bball iq?? LOL. Thanks for the laugh this morning buddy
 
How many minutes did Burks and Kanter average in their first three years compared to the other guys from the draft?

Think twice. I have never seen a fan base that underrates their own players as much as we do.

We can talk about this subject once Kanter and Burks get 30+ minutes per game.

Corbin gave them around 15 minutes per game in their first two seasons. In my opinion, last season should be considered Rookie seasons for both of them. It was their first opportunity to get some decent minutes.
 
GVC said:
He's the same guy who's a Lithuanian living in Canada. Total Jonas fanboy.
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Yeah I am a bit biased because of that. Kind of like our Turkish friends here when it comes to Kanter I guess. But lets ignore it and look at numbers and game. GVC, you probably saw more Jonas than anybody else here maybe except dalamon and me... give me your honest answer, would you draft Kanter over Jonas knowing what you see now?
 
Hack said:
We should have traded back tbh...

Turn that 3 pick into two late lottery picks. Klay Thompson and Kawhi Leonard..

Doh!
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Hindsight.
I'll bet there will be two players like Klay and Kawhi in this draft. And someone will point out we blew it because we could have traded back from the #5 to get both. Point is, if you can't call out who those players are going to be right now, then you can't make a claim later on.
 
illyasova said:
His only weapon is PnR and offensive rebounds.
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I assume you have not watch him destroy Kanter this season, so I will let you rewatch it. Tell me how much of his offensive production is offensive rebounds and PnR vs Jazz?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnfebSxL0-Q
 
This is the one draft where the two players I really wanted the Jazz drafted. And I'm still happy with the draft for the most part. Granted Leonard would have been a better pick, but Burks is not bad for where the Jazz got him, and I still think Kanter can be a solid player.
 
I'd definitely move JV up the list. Knight is way too high. And I'm not sold on Kemba. Yes, he scores 17 pts/per. His FG% is also <40%. He's inefficient.

I was happy with both picks. Still high on Burks and HOPE Kanter can turn into a quality starter under Quin.
 
akirac73 said:
In the spirit of draft time, just for the hell of it, I was looking back at the last time we had a top 5 pick in the draft (2011) and how our #3 pick Enes Kanter compares to other players in that draft today. Overall, a pretty sad/weak draft. Based on production here's how I see where those players rank today:

1. Kyrie Irving
2. Kawhi Leonard
3. Klay Thompson
4. Chandler Parsons
5. Nikola Vucevic
6. Isaiah Thomas
7. Kemba Walker
8. Brandon Knight
9. Kenneth Faried
10. Alec Burks
11. Enes Kanter
12. Markieff Morris
13. Tristan Thompson
14. Jonas Valanciunas
15. Derrick Williams
16. Iman Shumpert
Everyone else: Scrubs

Going into that draft, Irvin, Williams and Kanter were the consensus top 3. Only Irving lived up to the hype. Williams is a bust, and Kanter is still learning to play the game.
Thoughts?
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Jonas V needs to be much higher. Probably #4. Also move Isaiah Thomas and Brandon Knight down a little.
 
AKMVP said:
give me your honest answer, would you draft Kanter over Jonas knowing what you see now?
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Nope. Jonas is a safer bet right now for sure.

I'd put Thomas, Thompson, Vucevic (in no particular order) and possibly Parsons and Kemba ahead of Val.
 
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