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Poll: Should the Jazz Match Hayward's $15.75 a year/4 year Contract?

Should They Match?

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The Pearl said:
Until proven otherwise, I will take DL at his word and Locke seems to think the Jazz will match, so until evidence to the contrary and for purposes of discussion, the original question still stands.

In my experience when I am pretty sure that a course of action is obvious, yet really smart and competent people disagree with me, than I take serious notice.
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As will I. So while I don't agree with the amount I will support Hayward. He brings many positives to the team and will look forward to his continued improvement.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];866412 said:
So you get steamrolled in negotiations on teh reg?

This whole drama is being played out on the negotiating table.
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The problem is the Jazz are STUPID for not locking him up last year. The league is designed to overpay RFAs because you have to overpay to get a player. If they are just going to let him go for nothing, can they still renounce their rights to him making him an UFA? I wonder if Charlotte would still give him the max offer sheet.
 
Stoked said:
As will I. So while I don't agree with the amount I will support Hayward. He brings many positives to the team and will look forward to his continued improvement.
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You can say that to just about any potential FAs worth extending an offer/contract, tbh.
 
JAZZGASM said:
The problem is the Jazz are STUPID for not locking him up last year. The league is designed to overpay RFAs because you have to overpay to get a player. If they are just going to let him go for nothing, can they still renounce their rights to him making him an UFA? I wonder if Charlotte would still give him the max offer sheet.
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How can you lock up a player that doesn't want to be locked up? It takes two to agree to a deal. You contradicted yourself. If a "league is designed to overpay RFA's", why would Hayward agree to be locked up last year?
 
The Pearl said:
How can you lock up a player that doesn't want to be locked up? It takes two to agree to a deal. You contradicted yourself. If a "league is designed to overpay RFA's", why would Hayward agree to be locked up last year?
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to secure himself

bad injuries happens
 
The Pearl said:
Until proven otherwise, I will take DL at his word and Locke seems to think the Jazz will match, so until evidence to the contrary and for purposes of discussion, the original question still stands.

In my experience when I am pretty sure that a course of action is obvious, yet really smart and competent people disagree with me, than I take serious notice.
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And that's your opinion.

Remember, what the original question was. I for one would be very weary about trusting in all the "matching" talk as it could have easily been a smokescreen to discourage teams from offering.

I'm fine with not matching! Let this abortion of a contract weigh Charlotte down!
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];866419 said:
Again, you're over-simplifying.
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I know there are other factors, but I disagree that I am oversimplifying. Unless you can take on good assets on a salary dump like we did with GS, what else are they going to do? I think it is this simple. If you let one of your players walk, which will lower the talent level of your team, can you replace that talent?

What are the issues?

Will the signing prevent you from keeping your other players? No, it won't.

Can you replace that departing player with similar talent? Maybe Parsons. If not, no.

Are there any other moves that you can make to strengthen the team if you let this player walk such as a salary dump? Unknown.

Letting Hayward walk will be a step backwards with no upside when they need to be making large steps forwards.

If they need flexibility there are other players on this team that should be moved before Hayward.

Please overcomplicate it for me.
 
The Pearl said:
How can you lock up a player that doesn't want to be locked up? It takes two to agree to a deal. You contradicted yourself. If a "league is designed to overpay RFA's", why would Hayward agree to be locked up last year?
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Well, I am basing my comments based on the information in articles last year that stated Hayward was willing to re-sign for less than the max. If that wasn't true, and they couldn't have gotten him for 13-14M, then I retract my comment. However, the Jazz had the ability to offer him an extra year, which would provide him with more guaranteed $$$.

"Hayward’s side was reportedly hoping to secure more than Favors’ salary but somewhere less than the $80 million maximum deal fellow 2010 draftee Paul George received this offseason" https://www.deseretnews.com/article...ward-cant-work-out-extension-deal.html?pg=all

If that is true, we could have secured him for a lower amount, and possibly with incentives like what Favors has.
 
One thing to consider is the deal is 4yrs with a PO at 4.

Very similar to Deron's deal, essentially 3 years.

Again, I don't think Gordon wants to be here. That's what my gut tells me.

"That's why I signed a 3 yr deal." - Deron Williams
 
16M is insane. You can't pay a 3rd option wing player with at best average defense this kind of money no matter who you are.

Utah is not a top destination for FAs?
Utah has enough cap space?
Other team overpay FAs this offseason, so should we?

I don't ****ing care. It would be a huge mistake to match.
 
A source tells the Observer Gordon Hayward intended to visit with the Phoenix Suns before agreeing to Hornets' max offer. @paulcoro
8:44 AM - 9 Jul 2014

Haha.
 
Stoked said:
I think that the opposite would be better for the tank. Hayward is clearly the better player.
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i said jeffy is better for the tank.
You said the opposite is better for the tank (hayward?)

So you think hayward makes us worse than jeffy?
 
Additionally, the Jazz have about $37M in contracts once we sign Hood and Exum. We have to spend 90% of the $63M cap (about $57M).

If you don't pay it to Hayward, who do you pay it to? I don't want them to sign a few veterans that will take more playing time from our young core, and knowing the Jazz, that is what they do. I don't want more Richard Jefferson types that won't help us develop our young guys.

Lets keep our young core intact and grow into something special.
 
kyjazzfan said:
It'll be interesting to see what Parsons gets. But there seems to be enough interest in him (and enough teams with plenty of cap room), that I really think he'll get more than 12 mill/yr. My guess is that he'll get close to the max when it's all said and done. But even if he doesn't... there's enough interest in him that I doubt the Jazz are his first choice in destinations. After LBJ and Bosh make their decisions, I expect Parsons to be in high demand. Which mean the likelyhood of him coming to Utah becomes very slim.
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So make Parsons a $11-12 million offer at midnight tonight, tell him he's got just under 3 days to accept it, and if he hasn't accepted it by then match Hayward. Would he really turn it down? Maybe, but he's very likely NOT going to have any more offers to consider this early in free agency since most other teams will be waiting around for Lebron & Co.
 
JAZZGASM said:
What are the issues?

Will the signing prevent you from keeping your other players? No, it won't.
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I will simplify it even further for you.

You should give me 100 dollars.

What are the issues?

Will you giving me 100 dollars prevent you from paying your phone bill? No it wont so you should just give it to me
 
I can just see it. Not signing Hayward will cause the Jazz to sign another group of old or subpar players. They will end up starting over our young talent. It will be frustrating.

Ugh.
 
JAZZGASM said:
I can just see it. Not signing Hayward will cause the Jazz to sign another group of old or subpar players. They will end up starting over our young talent. It will be frustrating.

Ugh.
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Corbin doesnt coach the jazz doe
 
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