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Poll: Should the Jazz Match Hayward's $15.75 a year/4 year Contract?

Should They Match?

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colton said:
So make Parsons a $11-12 million offer at midnight tonight, tell him he's got just under 3 days to accept it, and if he hasn't accepted it by then match Hayward. Would he really turn it down? Maybe, but he's very likely NOT going to have any more offers to consider this early in free agency since most other teams will be waiting around for Lebron & Co.
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I agree but don't think 11-12M is enough to get it done. I'd go four years, 57M. That's 1.5M cheaper than Gordo's deal annually and I think enough that the Rockets wouldn't match if they get Bosh. Maybe I'm wrong though.
 
Sirkickyass said:
I get the feeling Parsons has a wink-wink deal with Houston as he does not seem to be seriously entertaining any other teams. I'm far more interested in Luol Deng's asking price at this point. It feels like it's lower than Haywards.
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Great post on all accounts.
Yes, I agree Parsons likely has agreed with Houston on a contract amount. He could pull a Boozer, but the difference is he's a RFA so it's not certain he could get away, even if he wanted.

Deng is a good option. Haven't really heard much about him in connection with other teams. And BTW, Carroll is an UFA next year. Don't discount him wanting to join Snyder. Certainly not a great shooter, but he's 10x the leader Hayward is just by his effort on the court.
 
I'd rather is risking not matching and waiting for a true max player to emerge than become a treadmill team
 
Doesn't matter quinsnydershair. If there aren't any other options then wait. Overpaying is never smart. Look at Kendrick Perkins or josh smith with detroit. The thunder had a need at center and jumped the gun.
 
Core4 said:
Great post on all accounts.
Yes, I agree Parsons likely has agreed with Houston on a contract amount. He could pull a Boozer, but the difference is he's a RFA so it's not certain he could get away, even if he wanted.

Deng is a good option. Haven't really heard much about him in connection with other teams. And BTW, Carroll is an UFA next year. Don't discount him wanting to join Snyder. Certainly not a great shooter, but he's 10x the leader Hayward is just by his effort on the court.
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I know you're way down on Hayward and don't want them to match. We'll just have to agree to disagree. As for Carroll, I really hope that the Jazz bring him back. I thought that it was borderline negligence to have him leave for the contract that he signed with Atlanta. He really enjoyed being in Utah and was worth that (and more) just for his hustle and attitude. For what it's worth, I think that I'd try to get him back this year via trade if possible. I definitely want the Junkyard Dog back in SLC, even if they match Hayward's offer sheet.
 
Ellis269 said:
I know you're way down on Hayward and don't want them to match. We'll just have to agree to disagree. As for Carroll, I really hope that the Jazz bring him back. I thought that it was borderline negligence to have him leave for the contract that he signed with Atlanta. He really enjoyed being in Utah and was worth that (and more) just for his hustle and attitude. For what it's worth, I think that I'd try to get him back this year via trade if possible. I definitely want the Junkyard Dog back in SLC.
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Carroll is a starter in Atlanta. So how do you match Hayward and also bring back DeMarre?
I guess if you continue to have GH be a SG. But Burks is going to want the first Path train out of town if he isn't a starter.
 
Sirkickyass said:
1) The penalty for not spending to the floor is basically non-existent. It just means that the guys on the roster get extra money (that no one has used this as a tactic to give max guys extra is honestly a little surprising at this point). In that sense, the Jazz don't "have" to do anything.
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Interesting thought. However, I've never seen details on how the money is divided among the guys on the roster. Divided evenly? Divided in proportion to their salaries? Other? It may well be that there is a clause saying that moneys given to players that way can't be used to exceed the max.

Here's the only stuff I found on Larry Coon's site:

https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q15
If a team doesn't meet its minimum payroll it is surcharged at the end of the season for the shortfall. That money is distributed among the players on that team.
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So again, no details.
 
However much I hate to max out a player who would be the 5th or 6th best player on a "contender" I don't think the Jazz have an option and under the current circumstances / rebuild mode / small market / state of the NBA etc. We should and will match the offer. Ouch.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Other than Hayward, Parsons, Deng, and our own Wet Bandit, who are other free agent options at the 3?
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Here's the list of SF FAs from hoops hype, in order:
https://hoopshype.com/free_agency/small_forwards_2014.htm

1. LeBron James LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-8 / 2013-14 team: Miami
27.1 ppg, 6.9 rpg
The four-time MVP and two-time NBA champion is already one of the top players of all time. His decision can potentially alter the landscape of the NBA. Would make a contender out of any NBA team.

2. Carmelo Anthony LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-8 / 2013-14 team: New York
27.4 ppg, 8.1 rpg
With some years left in his prime, Melo will draw massive attention should he decide to leave New York – which is looking like a feasible scenario with the way things have gone at the Big Apple.

3. Luol Deng LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-8 / 2013-14 team: Cleveland
16.0 ppg, 5.7 rpg
Cavs may have given away a bunch of draft picks for nothing. Cleveland proved to be a terrible fit for Deng, who could be looking to sign with a contender now.

4. Chandler Parsons LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-9 / 2013-14 team: Houston
16.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg
Do-it-all forward that has his best basketball years ahead of him.

5. Paul Pierce LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-7 / 2013-14 team: Brooklyn
13.5 ppg, 4.6 rpg
You want him on the court in crunch time during the playoffs. Could be a quality reserve for a contender next season.

6. Gordon Hayward LATEST RUMORS
Restricted / Small Forward / 6-8 / 2013-14 team: Utah
16.2 ppg, 5.1 rpg
Utah could end up regretting not signing him to an extension. The athletic and smart Hayward will be in high demand.

7. Evan Turner LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-7 / 2013-14 team: Indiana
14.0 ppg, 5.0 rpg
Was really filling the stat sheet in Philadelphia till he was moved to Indiana, where he didn't play much of a role. That trade will cost him millions in free agency.

8. Shawn Marion LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-7 / 2013-14 team: Dallas
10.4 ppg, 6.5 rpg
No longer the athletic freak he once was, Marion remains a tremendous defensive player.

9. Trevor Ariza LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-8 / 2013-14 team: Washington
14.4 ppg, 6.2 rpg
Long, athletic swignman with good defensive skills and an improved perimeter game. Was central to Washington's success this season.

10. Marvin Williams LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-9 / 2013-14 team: Utah
9.8 ppg, 5.3 rpg
Has been around forever, but Williams is still just 27. NBA career has been pretty underwhelming for a No. 2 pick.

11. Mike Miller LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-8 / 2013-14 team: Memphisº
7.1 ppg, 2.5 rpg
Dead-eye shooter is healthier than he was 1-2 years ago.

12. Caron Butler LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-7 / 2013-14 team: Oklahoma City
10.5 ppg, 4.1 rpg
Locker room leader whose best years are well behind him.

13. Al-Farouq Aminu LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-9 / 2013-14 team: New Orleans
7.2 ppg, 6.2 rpg
Defense and rebounding are his calling cards. Can't shoot.

14. PJ Tucker LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-6 / 2013-14 team: Phoenix
9.4 ppg, 6.5 rpg
Has really worked his way up in the NBA. Hustle player that is due for a payday.

15. Richard Jefferson LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-7 / 2013-14 team: Utah
10.1 ppg, 2.7 rpg
Veteran swingman that will be looking at minimum offers.

16. Michael Beasley LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-10 / 2013-14 team: Miami
7.9 ppg, 3.1 rpg
Was surprisingly productive in Miami for a short stretch, but ended up a benchwarmer for the Heat.

17. Xavier Henry LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-6 / 2013-14 team: LA Lakers
10.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg
Put up the best numbers of his career for half a season in Los Angeles, but got injured a lot too.

18. Wesley Johnson LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-7 / 2013-14 team: LA Lakers
11.5 ppg, 5.6 rpg
Averaged career highs in scoring and rebounds for the Lakers this season, but has been a disappoinment in the NBA thus far.

19. Jordan Hamilton LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-7 / 2013-14 team: Houston
6.7 ppg, 3.2 rpg
He better finds a good situation because this may be his last real chance in the NBA.

20. Rashard Lewis LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-10 / 2013-14 team: Miami
4.5 ppg, 1.8 apg
A bit player in Miami. Shooting skills may get him another contract in the league.

21. Francisco Garcia LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-7 / 2013-14 team: Houston
5.7 ppg, 2.2 rpg
Good locker room guy that plays tough D and hits three-pointers.

22. Chris Douglas-Roberts LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-7 / 2013-14 team: Charlotte
6.9 ppg, 2.4 rpg
Creative scorer with good ballhandling skills. Became a rotation player for the Bobcats after signing in December.

23. Dante Cunningham LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-8 / 2013-14 team: Minnesota
6.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg
Combo forward with a solid mid-range game.

24. Darius Miller LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-8 / 2013-14 team: New Orleans
4.4 ppg, 1.2 rpg
Showed some progress his sophomore year in New Orleans.

25. Metta World Peace LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-7 / 2013-14 team: New York
4.8 ppg, 2.0 rpg
One of the best defensive players in the last decade, but not anymore. His offense was never as good as he thought it was.

26. James Jones LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-8 / 2013-14 team: Miami
4.9 ppg, 1.2 rpg
Long-range bomber and good locker room presence. Another year in Miami?

27. Andres Nocioni LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-7 / 2013-14 team: Baskonia (Spain)
14.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg
Still playing well in Spain at age 34. Has hinted he would be willing to take on a small role for a good NBA team.

28. Hidayet Turkoglu LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-10 / 2013-14 team: LA Clippers
3.0 ppg, 2.3 rpg
A shadow of his old self, but may still sign a rich deal in Turkey if he's into it.

29. Brandon Rush LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-6 / 2013-14 team: Utah
2.1 ppg, 1.2 rpg
Health is a major issue with him. Has played just 40 games in the last two seasons.

30. Chris Singleton LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-9 / 2013-14 team: Washington
3.0 ppg, 2.2 rpg
First-round pick that has not played like one so far.

31. Rasual Butler LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-7 / 2013-14 team: Indiana
2.7 ppg, 0.8 rpg
Still in the league against all odds. Three-point shots still falling.

32. Stephen Jackson LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-8 / 2013-14 team: LA Clippers
1.7 ppg, 1.1 rpg
Has made more headlines for his rapping than for his playing lately.

33. Josh Howard LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-7 / 2013-14 team: Austin Toros (NBADL)
14.7 ppg, 5.8 rpg
Constant knee injuries have derailed his career. A return to the NBA looks like a long shot at this point.

34. Robbie Hummel LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-8 / 2013-14 team: Minnesota
3.4 ppg, 2.5 rpg
More than half his shots this season came from beyond the arc. Made 36 percent of those.

35. Adonis Thomas LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-7 / 2013-14 team: Philadelphia
2.3 ppg, 0.5 rpg
Joined the lowly Magic and Sixers after going undrafted. Solid mid-range game.

36. Damion James LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-7 / 2013-14 team: San Antonio
1.2 ppg, 2.4 rpg
A benchwarmer for the Nets, then for the Spurs.

37. James Southerland LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-8 / 2013-14 team: New Orleans
3.5 ppg, 2.0 rpg
Good outside shooter. Anything else?

38. Ryan Gomes LATEST RUMORS
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-7 / 2013-14 team: Boston
1.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg
A tweener at the forward spots that has surprisingly managed an eight-year NBA career - See more at: https://hoopshype.com/free_agency/small_forwards_2014.htm#sthash.yMPfs6h3.dpuf
 
These are the only ones I would want to pursue (if we have to, bla bla bla, yada yada yada)

Deng - 1-
Parsons 1b -
Hayward - if they choose to match
Ariza - 2
Williams - 3
Garcia - Only if JLIII comes back. I really want to see them reunited.
 
you give a max deal to a perennial all star. so my answer is hell-friggin-naw

i hate overpaying dudes. not in football, not in baseball, and not in basketball.
 
It would be a mistake to match this offer. Jazz are not going to contend in next 3-4 years. Hayward is not a missing piece to championship, nor is he a player to build the team around. This is the time to stockpile assets and get difference makers through the draft. With MAX contract Hayward is not an asset, but a liability. He cannot be traded and will occupy CAP space which can be traded for picks.
 
Borat said:
It would be a mistake to match this offer. Jazz are not going to contend in next 3-4 years. Hayward is not a missing piece to championship, nor is he a player to build the team around. This is the time to stockpile assets and get difference makers through the draft. With MAX contract Hayward is not an asset, but a liability. He cannot be traded and will occupy CAP space which can be traded for picks.
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Good post, especially...... Hayward is not a missing piece to championship, nor is he a player to build the team around.
 
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