Poll: Should the Jazz Match Hayward's $15.75 a year/4 year Contract?
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Stifle Tower
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They count over the length of the contract. A good case in point was Millsap's deal in which a ton of money was given up front. His cap hit each year was his salary + 1/4 of the bonus. That's one thing that would have made him more attractive in a trade: cap value was a couple million higher than what a team would have actually paid him. But, of course, it wasn't until the GS deal came up that the Jazz went full-rebuild and decided to part ways with Paul.
I wasn't laughing at their breakdown, pig fart. I was laughing at your obvious plagiarism.
You sound like speak English poorly
So do you.
Omg, you are dumb
welp, back to the UGLI forum..
The way I look at this year's situation is this one:
If the Heat win, LeBron doesn't opt out and the rest of Big2 + kneejerk Wade do neither. Heat looked vulnerable all year long, suitors were getting in position.
If Dolan doesn't sink the ship, goes from hero to zero, Melo waits until next summer to recruit a competitive team for NY(This is a very unsafe assumption. He's clearly in love with $ so this is an opinion that's very debatable IMO, but there is a chance that he falls in love with winning if this year doesn't go wrong)
The Suns are projected to win single digit games and sniff on the 8 seed. That creates another buyer.
Toronto tries to blow up the team, tank for Wiggins by trading Gay only to create a highly efficient squad. If they tank successfully midseason, Lowry is another guy on the open market. So is Patterson and Vasquez and DeRozan is getting shopped instead of Toronto being a shopper.
As a consequence from LeBron opting out and Cleveland lucking the lottery, we have another free agency player who wanna exceed the cap next year with the Irving extension and utilize tzheir cap space this summer. They become an extra shopper.
Detroit gives SVG full control, he becomes a shopper.
With all the other teams struggling, Charlotte looks like they're a real team. They become a shopper instead of eternal rebuilder.
Atlanta has some pretty good games and guys outperforming their salaries. Suddenly they wanna improve right away as well instead of playing the Houston mediocrity game until some small market team can't afford their 4th all star.
Don't forget Washington taking advantage of the East and lucking all their decisions after Emeka goes down. They become a shopper as well.
This is how these extra shoppers were created. And not extra guys to sign. Most of the guys unexpectedly entering the market were considering only Houston, Chicago, Dallas, Lakers anyways. Just these projected "again rebuilding", "still rebuilding" and "not yet ready to hit the market" teams just were too much for the available crop. That's why less cap space than anticipated will be rent or taken into next summer.
This is what created this Hayward mess in the first place.
If the Heat win, LeBron doesn't opt out and the rest of Big2 + kneejerk Wade do neither. Heat looked vulnerable all year long, suitors were getting in position.
If Dolan doesn't sink the ship, goes from hero to zero, Melo waits until next summer to recruit a competitive team for NY(This is a very unsafe assumption. He's clearly in love with $ so this is an opinion that's very debatable IMO, but there is a chance that he falls in love with winning if this year doesn't go wrong)
The Suns are projected to win single digit games and sniff on the 8 seed. That creates another buyer.
Toronto tries to blow up the team, tank for Wiggins by trading Gay only to create a highly efficient squad. If they tank successfully midseason, Lowry is another guy on the open market. So is Patterson and Vasquez and DeRozan is getting shopped instead of Toronto being a shopper.
As a consequence from LeBron opting out and Cleveland lucking the lottery, we have another free agency player who wanna exceed the cap next year with the Irving extension and utilize tzheir cap space this summer. They become an extra shopper.
Detroit gives SVG full control, he becomes a shopper.
With all the other teams struggling, Charlotte looks like they're a real team. They become a shopper instead of eternal rebuilder.
Atlanta has some pretty good games and guys outperforming their salaries. Suddenly they wanna improve right away as well instead of playing the Houston mediocrity game until some small market team can't afford their 4th all star.
Don't forget Washington taking advantage of the East and lucking all their decisions after Emeka goes down. They become a shopper as well.
This is how these extra shoppers were created. And not extra guys to sign. Most of the guys unexpectedly entering the market were considering only Houston, Chicago, Dallas, Lakers anyways. Just these projected "again rebuilding", "still rebuilding" and "not yet ready to hit the market" teams just were too much for the available crop. That's why less cap space than anticipated will be rent or taken into next summer.
This is what created this Hayward mess in the first place.
Game6Conley
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Idk man you talk in such absolutes about years way in the future its hard to take seriously. I'd hope Lindsey doesn't feel like hes got that type of job security and is more worried about being competitive asap.
Maybe the Jazz will land the #1 pick in the 2018 draft and Jarred Vanderbilt will save the day. who really knows?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVjKkARoGYk
I liked your post only because I have no rep to give right now, thanks.
GVC
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The provision has nothing to do with the salaries of 1st round picks. The first year of an offer sheet to a restricted free agent with less than 3 years of service time (early bird, as opposed to Larry Bird free agent) can only be for up to the non-taxpayer mid-level exception. The second year can contain a raise up to 4.1% of the first year salary. The third and possible fourth year can be up to any amount such that the average salary over the whole contract is not more than the signing team's available cap space. Structuring contracts this way allows teams to match the offer using cap space, the non-taxpayer mid-level exception or the Early Bird exception (the team does not have Bird Rights, since the player hasn't been in the league for 3 seasons).
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Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
This I admire about you guys.
I just can't get my head wrapped around this kind of stuff.
Well Hayward has a CHANCE to stick with the current core, fall in love with Snyder, Exum and whoever and decide to stay a part of the Jazz.
Matthews will become 31 in 2017, Ariza 32. They will be definately not desirable on a championship mission other than on a vet min contract. #keepgettingdemchecks
Maybe. But with Hayward you have a chance to utilize your asset. Like a refill bottle.
With Ariza, Deng you simply have old, empty cans that are thrown into the garbage bin in 2018.
Well. Melo signs for 4-5. Hits the market in 2018/2019. Prolly 2019 as a desperate veteran cuss New York, Dolan and stuff.
LeBron signs for 3 or 5. So 2017 or 2019 as a vet.
Durant is 2016 and then 2020.
Love 2015 and 2019/2020.
Anthony Davis 2020/2021.
Derrick Rose 2017(Yeah it's a long shot)
Westbrook 2017(His knees are just like Derrick's
)But feel free to suggest which potential 2017/2018 big time all nba caliber free agents could cause a cap space bidding riot.
Yes it does. Gilbert Arenas was paid $10M in years 3 and 4. The NBPA was like: That's unfair, he earned more than the #1 pick over his rookie contract, you guys have to make a rule about it.
No it doesn't. But the history shows, that it's very rare that things go that crazy. And there's no potential top3 player in the league who's unhappy and everybody is saving cap space for.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
There will ALWAYS be teams with cap space available EVERY year.
Miami (without Lebron), LA Lakers and New York will have space next season. Philadelphia at some point may decide to actually field a team. The one thing that created a ton of space this season was the cap increase. $5M across 30 teams means $150M suddenly became available. Many teams that were up against the cap were able to maneuver with just minor roster adjustments to gain significant space. The cap likely continues to increase over the next several years, especially with the new TV contract. I'm sure the league will smooth out the increases so there's not a huge jump and then a flat-line. But the point is, the higher-regarded FA's will continue to get paid, not just the Tier-1 players like LBJ and Melo, but players like Hayward and Parsons. We're going to eventually start losing a few players we like as we can't just keep matching inflated deals.
GVC
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Link? A little googling on my end seems to indicate that the rule was introduced by owners to allow them to match offers to non-Bird restricted free agents, which makes more sense given that that's exactly what the exception does.
It's probably worth pointing out that Wes Matthews' cap hit in seasons 2 and 3 was greater than the salary of the #1 overall pick from his draft class, which was less than the midlevel exception. He was actually paid about $10mm in his first year in Portland because he was given a signing bonus.
Given all this information, your story doesn't make any sense. Not that it matters.