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All-Time NBA Draft Round One--HottKinkkkk vs. addicitionary

Who wins, addictionary or HottKinkkk?

  • addictionary

    Votes: 20 41.7%

  • HottKinkkk

    Votes: 28 58.3%
  • Total voters
    48
  • Poll closed .
Fabtrey said:
physical talent wise, dr. J is up there with anybody. but MJ is the super saiyan version of dr. J. also, MJ just had a different mental make up than dr. J. IMO Dr. J is a great player top 15-20 all time. but he is 2 tier below MJ and tier below kobe. i would say dr. J is somewhere between kobe & clyde.
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I was talking about David Thompson.


Who was an ABA hero. Just like many in my roster. ABA was a revolution in style. And brought in many heroes like the hero of Michael Jordan's, who asked for Dave Thompson to induct him when he was going to be accepted to the Hall of Fame.

This guy could jump and touch the top of the backboard. Who else did you think wiped the dust of the top side of the board those days?!? There were no ladders. Only those leapers. So that the cleansers of the courts could keep their jobs.

Dave was one of the 5 player to score over 70 points ever in the history of the NBA-ABA. He played for Denver in both leagues, changing the style of the game, and played 2 for Sonics. Was active between 1975-1984. 1984..... Anyone remember that year? Fab? I'm sure you do. The best player ever to play the game stepped onto the pro court with so many dreams, and some significant heroes to get inspiration from, who did he got it from do you think? ... Yeap, that's him. David Thomspon was picked #1 in both ABA and NBA in the year 1975, and signed with the ABA team Denver Nuggets, coming off from being the NCAA champions and 1974 NCAA MOP (most outstanding player). He was the finalist alongside Dr. J in 1976 Slam Dunk Championship. He has been NBA All Star 4 times, game MVP in 1979, All NBA first team 2 times, ABA All star 1 time, ABA ROY, ABA Alltime team.. Averaged near 23 ppg, 4.1 rpg and 3.3 apg. David Thompson dunked the ball, when it was illegal to dunk. Unfortunately, DT was another victim of the alcohol and drugs abuse. That and injuries followed each other. He is another HoF'er of mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJZaULiWf-4
 
Sam Jones, the second player with most rings in his fingers (10). No clutch players right Nick? Check out this dude. His opponents called him the Shooter for his clutchness. Yeah not his fans, his opponents.

Check him out going against Wilt's LA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnu5vMfPtbw
 
Tiny Nate Archibald. A 6-1 guy with not the best shooting but good enough to average 18 ppg for career and be the scoring champ for a year and fast enough to put down a legacy about it. 7,4 apg. Wore the ring in 1981. 6 time AllStar. 81 game MVP. 73 assists leader. 73 scoring leader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOKd-xyTkIs
 
I think that addictionary has more individual talent, but it's all talent that needs to have the ball to succeed.

Nickkkkk has the better team, and I don't really think it's that close. My vote goes to Nickkk.
 
addictionary said:
I was talking about David Thompson.


Who was an ABA hero. Just like many in my roster. ABA was a revolution in style. And brought in many heroes like the hero of Michael Jordan's, who asked for Dave Thompson to induct him when he was going to be accepted to the Hall of Fame.

This guy could jump and touch the top of the backboard. Who else did you think wiped the dust of the top side of the board those days?!? There were no ladders. Only those leapers. So that the cleansers of the courts could keep their jobs.

Dave was one of the 5 player to score over 70 points ever in the history of the NBA-ABA. He played for Denver in both leagues, changing the style of the game, and played 2 for Sonics. Was active between 1975-1984. 1984..... Anyone remember that year? Fab? I'm sure you do. The best player ever to play the game stepped onto the pro court with so many dreams, and some significant heroes to get inspiration from, who did he got it from do you think? ... Yeap, that's him. David Thomspon was picked #1 in both ABA and NBA in the year 1975, and signed with the ABA team Denver Nuggets, coming off from being the NCAA champions and 1974 NCAA MOP (most outstanding player). He was the finalist alongside Dr. J in 1976 Slam Dunk Championship. He has been NBA All Star 4 times, game MVP in 1979, All NBA first team 2 times, ABA All star 1 time, ABA ROY, ABA Alltime team.. Averaged near 23 ppg, 4.1 rpg and 3.3 apg. David Thompson dunked the ball, when it was illegal to dunk. Unfortunately, DT was another victim of the alcohol and drugs abuse. That and injuries followed each other. He is another HoF'er of mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJZaULiWf-4
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i love david thompson, but for your team he will be reduced to 7th man IMO.

i would go

tiny
dr. j
bron
hayes
sabonis

to start.


kemp would just get embarrassed out there against timmy IMO. it would be like pairing griffin against 03 duncan. that's a total mismatch. but i love hayes and he may even outrebound timmy. so you probably end up having a half court team with hayes/sabonis. you have to go big because they will go big. can your team be a pick & roll team? i don't know. maybe. i would love to see the offense go through sabonis. i love what sabonis brings - he is pretty much bigger and better divac, but mutombo will cancel him out with his tenacity and instinct. he will make great decision, and make others better with his sick passing ability. but no doubt this team ain't a running team unless you go small. with hayes & sabonis, running would be hard. but even when sabonis was slim, he was pretty slow compared to other great centers. he wasn't yao slow, but he was still pretty slow. i see this game being a nasty draggy half court battle.

and let's face it. having Bron is your gift and the curse. playing with bron is not easy. ask wade & bosh about it. he will make everybody better and make everybody suffer at the same time. bron is the decision maker here, not tiny or cousey. with all due respect, in a 7 game series, this is bron's show. dr. J is his robin. and bron will either make or break dr. j.

i never was a fan of bron's 'magic' ability. magic was an instinctive player. bron is a thinker with slower thinking process than magic. it takes longer for bron to make a decision. he makes a right decision, but it takes time to make the decision. there is a reason why bron's team always perceived as 'boring'. can bron adjust and be less ball dominant? can bron be this team's pippen?

it's almost blasphemy to say this but i always believed Bron would've been the greatest #2 option. better scottie pippen to be exact. i get laughed at when i say this, but that's how i see his game. he is the most unselfish selfish player. if you pair magic & bron up, bron would have to be a SF, right? he would've been a better worthy, correct? i just don't like the idea of bron being too ball dominant. bron took his team to 4 straight championship without having a pg. and that's his greatness, and ultimately his downfall.

i'm curious to see how bron/kyrie will play together. can bron make kyrie a better PG? or will bron make kyrie somebody else? david thompson, jones, arizin all of these players will become somebody they aren't if bron does run the show. will the great bob cousey be more than 5 min player?

only sure thing about these 2 teams is that hotnickkks team is a great defensive team. that's their identity. what's your team's identity? IMO, it's Bron & Co. IMO, your team will be heavily dependent on bron's ability to carry this team. Bron has that kinda effect on any team.
 
addictionary said:
I'm not comparing the two, just giving an absurd example to underline the needless motivations to pick up the successor, but apparently you have no trouble taking Reggie above Dr J because Doc shoots worse from beyond the arc and all he does is show off for the cameras according to you.
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That's inaccurate. You picked Dr J with the #20 pick and I got Reggie Miller with the #32 pick - so Dr J wasn't available when I picked.


I have no problem with Dr J, but the point is he is a bad pairing with LeBron who also isn't a very good 3pt shooter. As many others here have stated, LeBron needs shooters around him to be effective. The Heat team that won 2 Championships had Ray Allen, Chris Bosh, Mike Miller who were all decent 3point shooters.
 
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Sabonis is underrated by many U.S. fans because he was already 31 when he finally was able to play in the NBA. Looks like I'm in the minority, but Cousy, Dr. J. and LBJ were/are three of the best ever at their positions. From his picks, I'm guessing addictionary is also one of the older posters on this board. Love the nod to some of the players from the ABA (The A-Train, Dr. J. and Skywalker). T3K3 also has a solid team. Tough choice, but I gave a nod to addictionary.
 
addictionary said:
Fastbreaks will be hard to come by for my guys?!?

I will proudly lose this now.
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One of the reasons the Spurs were able to beat Miami this year was because the were able to cut down on turnovers and defensively they didn't give Bron and Co. many fast break opportunities.


They played grind it out half court basketball with Kawhi and Duncan as their defensive identity and offensively they surrounded Duncan with solid three point shooters, which is also what I have done.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
One of the reasons the Spurs were able to beat Miami this year was because the were able to cut down on turnovers and didn't give Bron and Co. many fast break opportunities.


They played grind it out half court basketball surrounding Duncan with solid three point shooters which is also what I have done.
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Dude the rest of the Heat were baby oldies pooping crap all over the Heat arena! Tell me one player from the Heat that is better than my roster' s piece in that position. Bosh sucked. Wade was already dead. Ray was, well, about to retire. And the rest were the rest. No biggie.

What kind of a comparison is that? We had made the ALL TIME greatest, remember??
 
addictionary said:
Dude the rest of the Heat were baby oldies pooping crap all over the Heat arena! Tell me one player from the Heat that is better than my roster' s piece in that position. Bosh sucked. Wade was already dead. Ray was, well, about to retire. And the rest were the rest. No biggie.

What kind of a comparison is that? We had made the ALL TIME greatest, remember??
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The Spurs didn't have Pippen or Reggie or Kidd or Mutumbo neither...


I wasn't comparing the teams, I was comparing their style of play. You can't just play run and gun, or run and slash... in a tight playoff series defense tighten up and you just naturally don't get a lot of easy fast break points.. that's just how it is. In that situation you do need to be able to shoot 3's and make jumpshot instead of just going all gung-ho trying to dunk the ball every possessions.
 
addictionary said:
Fastbreaks will be hard to come by for my guys?!?

I will proudly lose this now.
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bron running the show limits fast break. fast break usually happens when the team moves the ball and players' roles are evenly spread out. bird's celtics. spurs. a complete trust in each other.

bron's team ranked top 10 in fast break points just once. 10th in 05 i believe. lack of point guard and bron being too ball dominant limits the opportunity. bron has a tendency to slow things down so he can see the whole floor. that is a great trait, but it has a down side. the game becomes too robotic. it's not loose. dr.j wants to have fun and just run. tiny probably would too. kemp would enjoy all the running. sabonis is free flowing natural passer.
can bron run with them while making all the decisions? can bron turn into Magic?

IMO, in order for your team to succeed, lebron has to change his role. he needs to commit defensively and let tiny or cousey run the show. he needs to become scottie pippen on roids.
 
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addictionary said:
Dude the rest of the Heat were baby oldies pooping crap all over the Heat arena! Tell me one player from the Heat that is better than my roster' s piece in that position. Bosh sucked. Wade was already dead. Ray was, well, about to retire. And the rest were the rest. No biggie.

What kind of a comparison is that? We had made the ALL TIME greatest, remember??
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bosh is a max cat, 24/11 guy. bron has that kinda effect on people. just watch how kevin love's stat will drastically go down with bron. wade was still 'almost elite' till their 2nd championship.

watch wade bouncing back and put up better number now that bron is gone.
 
Fabtrey said:
bosh is a max cat, 24/11 guy. bron has that kinda effect on people. just watch how kevin love's stat will drastically go down with bron. wade was still 'almost elite' till their 2nd championship.

watch wade bouncing back and put up better number now that bron is gone.
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Don't get me started on the Cavs move. I hated it. And my playmaker is Cooze. Not Lebron James. James is a point forward, who can step in for the job. No need to overuse anyone when you have some many good of them.
 
addictionary said:
Don't get me started on the Cavs move. I hated it. And my playmaker is Cooze. Not Lebron James. James is a point forward, who can step in for the job. No need to overuse anyone when you have some many good of them.
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Hey bro can you explain to me how Bob Cousy shot only 37.5% FG ? (not even counting 3pt shot as it didn't exist in those days)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cousybo01.html

He did average 7.5 assists but there must be more to the 37.5% FG number? I'm not down on him or anything just thought it was really curious how a guy can shoot that low of a percentage.

It's a real head scratcher for me.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Hey bro can you explain to me how Bob Cousy shot only 37.5% FG ? (not even counting 3pt shot as it didn't exist in those days)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cousybo01.html

He did average 7.5 assists but there must be more to the 37.5% FG number? I'm not down on him or anything just thought it was really curious how a guy can shoot that low of a percentage.

It's a real head scratcher for me.
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Sure kkk.

Cooze actually had a nice touch. But guards always had to shoot harder selections in the game. Especially in the time when height differential was major and long players exploited the advantage more, they had higher ratios even though they simply could not shoot.

On the other hand, basketball was very different before 1960. The game basically was being played on being able to get as much as shot attempts as you can, and shot selection was not the primary choice of concern compared to the mentality of later. Bob Cousy was a passer, but even he did average about 17 shots per game. You call a guy black hole for doing so in our day. But he was not, instead, the entire way of the game being played was different. Cooze actually shot around league average throughout his career.
I picked this up from somewhere it should make it look more clear:

1950-51: league average fg%: 35.7% cousy's %: 35.2%
1951-52: league average fg%: 36.7% cousy's %: 36.9%
1952-53: league average fg%: 37.0% cousy's %: 35.2%
1953-54: league average fg%: 37.2% cousy's %: 38.5%
1954-55: league average fg%: 38.5% cousy's %: 39.7%
1955-56: league average fg%: 38.7% cousy's %: 36.0%
1956-57: league average fg%: 38.0% cousy's %: 37.8%
1957-58: league average fg%: 38.3% cousy's %: 35.3%
1958-59: league average fg%: 39.5% cousy's %: 38.4%
1959-60: league average fg%: 41.0% cousy's %: 38.4%
1960-61: league average fg%: 41.5% cousy's %: 37.1%
1961-62: league average fg%: 42.6% cousy's %: 39.1%
1962-63: league average fg%: 44.1% cousy's %: 39.7%

I wish you had the time to check out my video of Cooze not being able to miss from the line in a movie. His talents would create wonders in today's game, I believe.
 
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OK thanks. Still seems like he's always below league average though - but I guess his lack of height might have been an issue?
 
Hotttnickkk said:
^^^

OK thanks. Still seems like he's always below league average though - but I guess his lack of height might have been an issue?
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Not really. His height was good enough to shoot good and smaller palms instead of overgrown hands like many centers' lead to better shooting because of the ability to clutch and weight the ball in a more sensitive manner. Which one is easier do you think to manipulate in a basketball shot; a baseball, or a basketball? Also, Cooze was from a time that he had no heroes of his own to imitate. So motivation was solely "put the ball in the basket". Run pass shoot. And so on. But the things he did with his hands absolutely revolutionized the playmaker position and the game itself.
 
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