Perhaps this is the defining moment for Hayward

[Qman]

Did you watch the whole video? Stockton apologizes for reacting that was saying it is not his character.

Are you kidding?

Stockton's on the court character was very feisty. I don't think him pushing somebody on the court was an isolated incident.

I am sure he was very sorry after the game. But if the same situation happened again, he would have don't the same thing.

 

[orangello]

Are you kidding?

Stockton's on the court character was very feisty. I don't think him pushing somebody on the court was an isolated incident.

I am sure he was very sorry after the game. But if the same situation happened again, he would have don't the same thing.

I'm telling you what he said. I wasn't expressing any sort of opinion on the matter. Just sharing the words of the Almighty Stockton.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm sorry but I think standing up for yourself and your teammates shows leadership. Walking away from contact or allowing others to bully you and humiliate you on the court without doing anything is a sign of weakness. I'm also sure that Ostertag didn't earn any respect either when he was bitch slapped by Shaq. It more or less showed he is afraid and will back down from contact in my opinion.


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[Dtol17]

I'm sorry but I think standing up for yourself and your teammates shows leadership. Walking away from contact or allowing others to bully you and humiliate you on the court without doing anything is a sign of weakness. I'm also sure that Ostertag didn't earn any respect either when he was bitch slapped by Shaq. It more or less showed he is afraid and will back down from contact in my opinion.


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Or, rather than stooping to the level of somebody who isn't worth your time, you can respond with your game. If Hayward got worked up over all of the Delonte Wests in the world, then they win. Inferior players pull crap like that because they don't have the talent or ability to keep up with them on the floor. If you allow every one of them to get in your head and cause you to lash out physically, then you've got an incredibly weak psyche, and you deserve to be off the floor, which you assuredly will be.

 

[Shocker00]

Or, rather than stooping to the level of somebody who isn't worth your time, you can respond with your game. If Hayward got worked up over all of the Delonte Wests in the world, then they win. Inferior players pull crap like that because they don't have the talent or ability to keep up with them on the floor. If you allow every one of them to get in your head and cause you to lash out physically, then you've got an incredibly weak psyche, and you deserve to be off the floor, which you assuredly will be.

You act like your trying to protect players of Jordan, Bryant, Durrant, or James level. Sorry to burst your bubble but Hayward is just an average to slightly above player in the Nba. Besides there is smart ways to retaliate and stupid ways to retaliate but to sit there and do nothing makes you look like a coward. Acting like a coward is exact opposite of being a leader in my opinion. I would like to see him pick up a technical in that case and try to fire up his teammates by showing some emotion.


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[akirac73]

I'm telling you what he said. I wasn't expressing any sort of opinion on the matter. Just sharing the words of the Almighty Stockton.

Of course Stockton would say something classy like that "AFTER" the game, what did you expect him to say?..."Umm, I hate David Robinson, I wish I knocked his skinny *** on the ground harder"?

In the heat of battle, people will either fight or laydown. Stockton is/was a fighter, Hayward goes into the fetal position. It is what it is...

 

[Stifle Tower]

Do the Jazz need Hayward to be the team leader to be successful?
Does Gordon need to be a team leader to be successful?

I'd say no to both questions. So he's not going to react by going after someone's head. Big deal. If we want to use ONE moment to define who he is/is not, then let's also call him a superstar for his game against OKC when he went mano-a-mano with Durant and carried Utah on his shoulders in the 4th quarter. It was a dominant Jordan/Lebron-esque performance.

I hate Hayward's contract. I hate it even more than I hated AK's. But I understand why the Jazz matched. I also understand Hayward is likely going to opt out at the end of 3 years to negotiate a new deal with either Utah or another team. But since the Jazz DO have him for at least 3 years (barring a trade), I think he's going to be very, very good in Quin's system. That said, I'm also expecting 3-years of bitching about his contract vs. his contribution. Why? Because I think this team will be very much like the SA Spurs: no one is going to get >30 mins/per and the scoring and assists will be spread out due to the motion offense. For me, I'm really not concerned about total pts/rbds/assists. I'm hoping the Jazz utilize so many weapons on the court that Hayward's aggregate numbers aren't all that different from last year. But what I do expect is his shooting stats to be near the 45%/40% range, with mins per game dropping to around 30 (barring significant injuries to other wings like Hood and Burks).

 

[Jazz4ever]

Do the Jazz need Hayward to be the team leader to be successful?
Does Gordon need to be a team leader to be successful?

I'd say no to both questions. So he's not going to react by going after someone's head. Big deal. If we want to use ONE moment to define who he is/is not, then let's also call him a superstar for his game against OKC when he went mano-a-mano with Durant and carried Utah on his shoulders in the 4th quarter. It was a dominant Jordan/Lebron-esque performance.

I hate Hayward's contract. I hate it even more than I hated AK's. But I understand why the Jazz matched. I also understand Hayward is likely going to opt out at the end of 3 years to negotiate a new deal with either Utah or another team. But since the Jazz DO have him for at least 3 years (barring a trade), I think he's going to be very, very good in Quin's system. That said, I'm also expecting 3-years of bitching about his contract vs. his contribution. Why? Because I think this team will be very much like the SA Spurs: no one is going to get >30 mins/per and the scoring and assists will be spread out due to the motion offense. For me, I'm really not concerned about total pts/rbds/assists. I'm hoping the Jazz utilize so many weapons on the court that Hayward's aggregate numbers aren't all that different from last year. But what I do expect is his shooting stats to be near the 45%/40% range, with mins per game dropping to around 30 (barring significant injuries to other wings like Hood and Burks).

As Locke said, if Hayward opts out that is a good thing, it means we probably got our money's worth out of him for 3 years.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Fair enough, but do any of us really consider Hayward the leader of this team? Have we ever?

Hoping that the leader becomes Exum.

How the hell do you give max money to a guy who isn't a leader?

 

[My2Cents]

How the hell do you give max money to a guy who isn't a leader?

He isn't worth max money regardless, but I don't really know if he's a leader. I think you'd have to spend time around the team to know that. He's clearly not a vocal leader, but there are other ways to lead. I expect him to help establish and perpetuate standards of professional conduct and work ethic. I expect max money effort every night. I want his play to motivate the other guys on the floor to play harder. Effort is contagious. Maybe that's leading by example, but I think he can contribute to leadership without being vocal.

 

[Deleted member 365]

He isn't worth max money regardless, but I don't really know if he's a leader. I think you'd have to spend time around the team to know that. He's clearly not a vocal leader, but there are other ways to lead. I expect him to help establish and perpetuate standards of professional conduct and work ethic. I expect max money effort every night. I want his play to motivate the other guys on the floor to play harder. Effort is contagious. Maybe that's leading by example, but I think he can contribute to leadership without being vocal.

Has Hayward ever been recognized as being any of those things?

 

[JazzTalk]

Has Hayward ever been recognized as being any of those things?

Was he that type of leader with Bulter? I am sincerely asking cause I don't know.