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Hitting the NBA Paywall: Six Intriguing Extension Candidates by Zach Lowe

green said:
Huh. So NBA execs see him as a sixth man...interesting.
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Not interesting if you consider that he has only been a 6th man so far.

If Hayward was the one coming off the bench last year and Burks was the starter then I guarantee that Hayward would be seen as a 6th man.
 
Catchall said:
I agree with the Monta Ellis comps on offense, but I don't agree with Lowe that Ellis is much of a drive-and-kick player, or much of a passer at all for that matter. Whereas, Burks is a good passer and can facilitate the pick-and-roll almost as well as any 2-guard in the league.
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Ellis is the superior playmaker by a significant margin.
 
fishonjazz said:
Not interesting if you consider that he has only been a 6th man so far.

If Hayward was the one coming off the bench last year and Burks was the starter then I guarantee that Hayward would be seen as a 6th man.
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His game is that of a 6th man. Everyone sees it. Hayward has a starter's game.
 
Cy said:
His game is that of a 6th man. Everyone sees it. Hayward has a starter's game.
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Yup.
Unless corbin chose to start Burks and bring Hayward off the bench.
Then Burks would have a starters game and Hayward would be looking like a nice 6th man (as was the case in Haywards first couple years when he was playing as a 6th man).

Hayward liked a nice 6th man..... right up until the point when he became a regular starter.
 
fishonjazz said:
Yup.
Unless corbin chose to start Burks and bring Hayward off the bench.
Then Burks would have a starters game and Hayward would be looking like a nice 6th man (as was the case in Haywards first couple years when he was playing as a 6th man).

Hayward liked a nice 6th man..... right up until the point when he became a regular starter.
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Well, I'm going to have to side with Zach Lowe and most NBA Executives on this one.
 
fishonjazz said:
If Hayward was the one coming off the bench last year and Burks was the starter then I guarantee that Hayward would be seen as a 6th man.
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This is backwards thinking. For instance, if Hayward was seen as the 6th man, then he would have been coming off the bench last year and Burks would have been starting. Burks was seen as the 6th man, so he played the role.
 
Lowe is dead-on about a lot of his micro-analysis, but he's ****ing high about the big picture:
-Burks is getting more than $7 million a season.
-Burks is not a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none player. He goes at and gets to the rim like a crazy person.
 
Burks went to the foul line only slightly more in his 3rd year than Hayward.

They both played around the same # of minutes and took exactly the same amount of shots per game.

I think we overrate Burks ability to get to the ft line around here.
 
Cy said:
Burks went to the foul line only slightly more in his 3rd year than Hayward.

They both played around the same # of minutes and took exactly the same amount of shots per game.

I think we overrate Burks ability to get to the ft line around here.
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Burks is top 15 in the league in FT attempts per minute, top 7 among guards in FTAs per 36, and is top 5 among guards in FTA per FGA.

Hayward in year three - 5.0 FTA per 36; Burks 6.1 FTA per 36. That's about a 20% difference - not really close. And G-time is pretty good at getting to the line - just not elite like Burks.

I'll go ahead and say we're not overrating his ability to get to the FT line.
 
So does Hayward start this year? Locke was talking about our starting lineup vs other teams in a recent podcast, and basically said he thought Burks was the starting 2.

Is our lineup is Burke, Burks, Hayward, Kanter, Favors? I think we probably trot out these guys and eventually replace Burke or Burks with Exum, and Kanter with Marvin Williams clone. I just don't see Kanter staying on this team long term. I also think that whichever one of Burke or Burks is less awesome will be traded.
 
LazyD said:
This is backwards thinking. For instance, if Hayward was seen as the 6th man, then he would have been coming off the bench last year and Burks would have been starting. Burks was seen as the 6th man, so he played the role.
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This is true....... only if corbin saw it that way. Corbin being the genius coach that he is, im sure he got it right.
 
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