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LazyD said:
Could it be that part of that phenomenon can be attributed to the coaching staff identifying the proper role for him and getting him to play within his role?
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Just one more comment on this......... I will admit that it MIGHT be best for burks to come off the bench as a 6th man. But shouldn't it be more important to look at what is best for the team?
imo a starting lineup should be well balanced and should include someone who best skill is putting points on the scoreboard.
Last season: Treys best skill? probably ball handling and clutch shots at the end of games (that we are trying to lose)
Hayward best skill? I guess passing/facilitating and suppossedly outside shooting/stretching the defense
Jefferson best skill? Vet powers. I kid. His best skill was definately outside shooting and stretching the defense
Marvin best skill? See jefferson
Favors best skill? Defense and rebounding.

Seems like that lineup is lacking something........ could use some scoring imo. Burks best skill? Getting into the paint and getting points (either finishing or getting to the line.)
dalamon said:
Ummm.


I absolutely WISH Burks would hit Ellis-level play. Did anyone not watch the first round between Dallas and the Spurs last season? Go read SpursTalk if you need a refresher.


Ellis completely clobbered San Antonio, all series long. He was nearly unstoppable.

If Dirk could have put together a string of decent games, Dallas would have moved onto the 2nd round.





Back on topic: Burks for 7per would be a heist. He'll fetch more-- not as much as Hayward, but he'll probably get somewhere between 8-11per, barring a pretty ****ty season by him (unlikely).
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Solid, per usual
 
dalamon said:
Ummm.


I absolutely WISH Burks would hit Ellis-level play. Did anyone not watch the first round between Dallas and the Spurs last season? Go read SpursTalk if you need a refresher.


Ellis completely clobbered San Antonio, all series long. He was nearly unstoppable.

If Dirk could have put together a string of decent games, Dallas would have moved onto the 2nd round.





Back on topic: Burks for 7per would be a heist. He'll fetch more-- not as much as Hayward, but he'll probably get somewhere between 8-11per, barring a pretty ****ty season by him (unlikely).
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$11mm for a guy who "could absolutely grow into a fourth or fifth starter on a good team."? Where's the money coming from when you're paying your 4th and 5th 15% of the cap (assuming it grows to $70mm).

Miami's 4th and 5th best made $7.3mm combined last season.
San Antonio's 4th and 5th best did make $17.5mm combined, but that's only because Parker and Duncan were both severely underpaid.
 
franklin said:
$11mm for a guy who "could absolutely grow into a fourth or fifth starter on a good team."? Where's the money coming from when you're paying your 4th and 5th 15% of the cap (assuming it grows to $70mm).

Miami's 4th and 5th best made $7.3mm combined last season.
San Antonio's 4th and 5th best did make $17.5mm combined, but that's only because Parker and Duncan were both severely underpaid.
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maybe hayward will pitch in.

It sucks having your highest paid player not be a star player. If you have a lebron, wade, bosh on your team then you dont need to pay much to your 4th/5th guys.

When hayward is your highest paid guy then you better be spending alot on those 4th/5th starters or else you are gonna suck.
 
fishonjazz said:
maybe hayward will pitch in.

It sucks having your highest paid player not be a star player. If you have a lebron, wade, bosh on your team then you dont need to pay much to your 4th/5th guys.

When hayward is your highest paid guy then you better be spending alot on those 4th/5th starters or else you are gonna suck.
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Hayward's getting flipped bro. Mark it.
 
The only thing I'm going to add is that Burks at $7 million per season would be an absolute heist. So I hope I'm the big dum-dum here.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Burks is top 15 in the league in FT attempts per minute, top 7 among guards in FTAs per 36, and is top 5 among guards in FTA per FGA.

Hayward in year three - 5.0 FTA per 36; Burks 6.1 FTA per 36. That's about a 20% difference - not really close. And G-time is pretty good at getting to the line - just not elite like Burks.

I'll go ahead and say we're not overrating his ability to get to the FT line.
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And lets not forget that burks gets to line at a good clip despite the fact that he is a lesser known player playing on a horrible small market jazz team.
I would guess that the guys that get to the line at a better rate than burks are probably more well know players and probably play on better teams.

I think most of us know that the refs dont treat all players equal..... i doubt that alec burks would be very high on thier preferred players list, yet he still gets to the line alot.
 
franklin said:
$11mm for a guy who "could absolutely grow into a fourth or fifth starter on a good team."?
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You simply do not pay that for someone that sits that far down the pecking order. But he doesn't have a crystal ball and his word isn't quite gospel.

I think he can be a legit 3rd option in a legit lineup or a 1st option on a **** lineup (like he's already done).
 
franklin said:
$11mm for a guy who "could absolutely grow into a fourth or fifth starter on a good team."? Where's the money coming from when you're paying your 4th and 5th 15% of the cap (assuming it grows to $70mm).

Miami's 4th and 5th best made $7.3mm combined last season.
San Antonio's 4th and 5th best did make $17.5mm combined, but that's only because Parker and Duncan were both severely underpaid.
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a, I never said I thought he would be a "4th-5th best player on a starting team". The jury is still out on his development.

b, I never said that he is deserving of 11per. I just figured that since we overpaid for Hayward (I personally didn't think he'd be offered anything more than 12mill), we will probably have to overpay for Burks as well.

His actual value is somewhere between 8-9mill, taking his previous season into account and anticipating some improvement. At least IMO.
 
fishonjazz said:
I would say yes to your question if not for one thing.

Hayward got injured and missed 5 games. Burks started those games and was better than when he came off the bench. Also the team had a better winning percentage during those 5 games than they did for the year.

It's not like Burks has never started before
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Call me crazy, but I actually think Burks has a better starters game while Hayward is more suited coming off the bench, also in my opinion, had Burks been drafted first then Hayward second, we'd be viewing Burks as a better starter and thinking of Hayward as a natural 6th man.

Burks has never been a starter, and all he's ever known as an nba player is a backup roll so that has contributed to his style of play. If he starts all year this year, and gets a solid 32-36 minutes he'll change how we think of him.

As time goes by with Burks as a starter, his game will evolve, and his playmaking skills could blossom. I really do see that kind of player in him.
 
The notion Burks is some lifelong 6th man is utter crap. He has great size and athleticism for his position. We just watched the USA comfortably win the gold by shooting, for the most part, step back jumpers. Every other team had better chemistry, but it didn't matter because we were 2" longer at each position and could jump 5 inches higher than their guys. There would be an argument if Burks couldn't hit a three or pass the ball, but 35% is quite respectable as is 3.4 assists, both above league average for SGs.
 
Jazz4ever said:
The notion Burks is some lifelong 6th man is utter crap. He has great size and athleticism for his position. We just watched the USA comfortably win the gold by shooting, for the most part, step back jumpers. Every other team had better chemistry, but it didn't matter because we were 2" longer at each position and could jump 5 inches higher than their guys. There would be an argument if Burks couldn't hit a three or pass the ball, but 35% is quite respectable as is 3.4 assists, both above league average for SGs.
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And this is why he'll get paid in RFA if we let it get to that.
 
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