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Jeditiger said:
It's called fandom. And really, IDGAF what you think. I'm a Jazz fan to the end.
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To some people, being a fan isn't just supporting your team when they're not very good, but it's wanting them to be the best they can. Sometimes that means it's best for a coach/player to leave. Recognizing that doesn't make somebody less of a fan, it just makes them more realistic, and quite frankly, less ignorant towards the situation.

I wanted Ty gone, badly. I wanted him gone because as a fan, I wanted the best for my team. Don't act like you're better than people because you supported everybody, all the time. Some people aren't content with mediocrity...some people are.
 
Cy said:
I'm probably in the small boat that doesn't think Corbin was an awful coach, but he was an extremely boring coach.
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I think Corbin failed because he tried to hard to be like Jerry Sloan. That's just imo of course. It's just a guess. I don't really know. But that what I take from it. He should have tried to be his own man and coach his own way. It doesn't work trying to be someone else.
 
Hantlers said:
Awful? No.

Below-average? Yes.

A good fit for the roster we had? Absolutely not.
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I would categorize him as being completely average. I do think he had an overall positive impact on our young players development, it was just much slower than anyone wanted.
 
Hantlers said:
To some people, being a fan isn't just supporting your team when they're not very good, but it's wanting them to be the best they can. Sometimes that means it's best for a coach/player to leave. Recognizing that doesn't make somebody less of a fan, it just makes them more realistic, and quite frankly, less ignorant towards the situation.

I wanted Ty gone, badly. I wanted him gone because as a fan, I wanted the best for my team. Don't act like you're better than people because you supported everybody, all the time. Some people aren't content with mediocrity...some people are.
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^Nailed it.
 
Cy said:
I'm not worried about him being good, but he was drafted on the basis of having super-star potential. Currently not seeing that.
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Exactly.

Right now we are just hoping he is going to be good.

I don't get why people thought he was is the Jabari or Wiggins class anyways though. He never looked like he had it to me. LOL at the thought of him going number 1 overall in that class. It was actually a popular thought.
 
Hack said:
Exactly.

Right now we are just hoping he is going to be good.

I don't get why people thought he was is the Jabari or Wiggins class anyways though. He never looked like he had it to me. LOL at the thought of him going number 1 overall in that class. It was actually a popular thought.
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I've watched 2 of Jarbari's preseason games, he also looks pretty average. Still has the terrible shot selection he had at Duke.
 
I thought Ian Clark actually looked pretty good today. I think Snyder is going to let Exum make a lot of mistakes, but if he is consistently turning the ball over like he did tongiht, you have to put someone else in the game so they rest of the team can develop.
 
Hack said:
Exactly.

Right now we are just hoping he is going to be good.

I don't get why people thought he was is the Jabari or Wiggins class anyways though. He never looked like he had it to me. LOL at the thought of him going number 1 overall in that class. It was actually a popular thought.
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LOL at your judgments coming after 3 preseason games.

And, every person who floated the idea that he could have gone #1 also said he wasn't as NBA ready (i.e. not as good right now). He was being lauded for potential, which he still has, even after not passing your 3-game eye-test.

Chill teh **** out.
 
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NAOS said:
LOL at your judgments coming after 3 preseason games.

And, every person who floated the idea that he could have gone #1 also said he wasn't as NBA ready (i.e. not as good right now). He was being lauded for potential, which he still has, even after not passing your 3-game eye-test.

Chill teh **** out.
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ahhhhhhh. The always calm and steady NAOS.

Just because you aren't smart enough to perform the 3 preseason game evaluation method. Doesn't mean that I'm not. I'm highly skilled in the art of quick talent evaluation.
 
Cy said:
I've watched 2 of Jarbari's preseason games, he also looks pretty average. Still has the terrible shot selection he had at Duke.
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More than shot selection I'm just not convinced Jabari is athletic enough to get good shots. Remember watching SL games and he doesn't have any burst off the dribble. Routinely will pull out a double crossover to stand in place and shoot a midrange jumper. Skilled, but not explosive at all.
 
Cy said:
I thought Ian Clark actually looked pretty good today. I think Snyder is going to let Exum make a lot of mistakes, but if he is consistently turning the ball over like he did tongiht, you have to put someone else in the game so they rest of the team can develop.
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Half of the TOs came in the last quarter when he looked pretty winded(as always) and the LAC put some traps on him with fresh people off the bench. Also several of them were from blatant fouls(getting slapped repeatedly to the hands, getting pushed in the back) and not getting any calls. I doubt he will have many games like that. For example in the previous 2 games he only had 3 TOs in about 50 minutes of play.

About your concerns with the speed. He's actually showing it, but not using it in obvious ways. For example look at the alley-oop play to Gobert today. In a split second he's a step ahead of CP3(who's considered one of the fastest players in the NBA), even before CP3 meets the screen from Gobert. This is elite burst of speed (and sorry to repeat myself but against one of the quickest players in the whole league):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J0FNIrinac

I think the main concern right now is that he's not using that speed in any more obvious ways. You are absolutely right that he should be driving to the rim. What he did to CP3 in that play. He does it pretty much against everybody he's played against(just look for it in the next game), but the problem is that he refuses to take it to the hoop once he's ahead of his man and he usually decides to stall(which negates and hides his speed advantage). I think he's intimidated by the physical presence of the bigs in the paint. It's sooooo not like him. The way he plays right now has absolutely nothing to do with the way he played in the U18s. I recently watched several of his games prior to the draft and you cannot even recognize it is the same player by just looking at the style of his play. He used to drive to the hoop at will... He'd beat his man and he'd just attack, even bigger men, he'd draw fouls, he'd finish through contact. In one of the FIBA tournaments he had something like 10FTA/game, most of them drawn with drives to the hoop, which is ridiculously high(as a comparison - James Harden had 9 per game last season) and very different to what we are seeing right now. I really hope that as his body matures and bulks up and as he gets used tot he pace and the physicality of the NBA game, he'd get the confidence to do what actually were one of his best selling points prior to the draft - driving to the hoop. That would open up his game in so many ways - his passing game will improve through drive-and-kicks and drive-and-dish plays, he'd get more room for his shot(if he actually improves it - today was a good shooting day for him).

(tried to post his transition push and buzzer beater from one basket to the other in 3 second from SL, but the forum didn't let me)
 
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NAOS said:
The EXUM PANIC is ****ing embarrassing. Sheesh.
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I watched the clippers broadcast and they kept saying how great he looks and that he will fix some of weaknesses as he gets stronger. REPEATEDLY said he is only 19, but will be special in time......only jazz fans are stupid enough to jump all over a few games and declare his future. Pretty sad lot.
 
Wait, so people are losing their minds because Exum turned the ball over but ALSO DID THE ONE THING VERY WELL THAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN MOST CONCERNED ABOUT?

Seems about right.
 
Jeditiger said:
I would not be. Kanter still seems so raw. One would figure that he'd know what he's doing by now. Still have high hopes for him tho. At this point he seems on par with Koufos, sadly.
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Koufos is a nice player and the Jazz fumbled on him in pretty much every way.

I don't know how to feel about Kanter. My faith is certainly shaken a little. Was what we saw in season 2 really that good or was I just high AF?
 
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