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In hindsight, Jazz would have been better off keeping Millsap and trading Kanter.
On the other hand, in 3 years, Millsap will be in decline just as the Jazz are ready to start competing. I tihnk our starting PF of the future isn't currently on the team (unless Favors can extend his game).
Will be interesting to see what Millsap gets paid this upcoming summer.
IawtpNo way in hell we should have kept Sap, and I find it extremely presumptuous to assume Sap even wanted to come back. The mistake made with Sap was not trading him during the lockout year. Period. Bringing him back would have meant a continuation of our DENIAL of the fact we are in rebuild mode now, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
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Nothing bugs me more than people suggesting we should have tried to maintain a mediocre team rather than rolling the dice on trying to build something special. I love Sap as a player, and I would love to have him back, but for where this team is at, keeping Sap would have just compounded the mistake of screwing the pooch on the follow up moves after Deron was traded.
No way in hell we should have kept Sap, and I find it extremely presumptuous to assume Sap even wanted to come back. The mistake made with Sap was not trading him during the lockout year. Period. Bringing him back would have meant a continuation of our DENIAL of the fact we are in rebuild mode now, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
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Nothing bugs me more than people suggesting we should have tried to maintain a mediocre team rather than rolling the dice on trying to build something special. I love Sap as a player, and I would love to have him back, but for where this team is at, keeping Sap would have just compounded the mistake of screwing the pooch on the follow up moves after Deron was traded.
I find it extremely presumptuous to assume Sap even wanted to come back.
I wonder how they categorize stretch 4's.
Dirk
Love
Bosh
Millsap
Anderson
I'm guessing that is how the list looks.
This is sort of earth shattering news. Are you serious? How about Corbin, Boozer, Handglotten and Jefferson?So many livin' in the past. Jerry ain't coming back, John and Karl ain't coming back, Sap ain't coming back and he does not play for the Jazz anymore. Move on.
Jazz immediately informed Jefferson he wasn't in their plans after the season ended. But the media reported there were discussions between Millsap's agent and the Jazz right up until the GS deal came around. If you go back and read the newspaper reports (DN or Trib), there was apparently a divided FO on keeping Millsap or letting him go. And DMC also hung around until the Jazz informed him they were going in a different direction. But those chips didn't fall until AFTER GS made Lindsey an offer he couldn't refuse.No way in hell we should have kept Sap, and I find it extremely presumptuous to assume Sap even wanted to come back. The mistake made with Sap was not trading him during the lockout year. Period. Bringing him back would have meant a continuation of our DENIAL of the fact we are in rebuild mode now, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
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Nothing bugs me more than people suggesting we should have tried to maintain a mediocre team rather than rolling the dice on trying to build something special. I love Sap as a player, and I would love to have him back, but for where this team is at, keeping Sap would have just compounded the mistake of screwing the pooch on the follow up moves after Deron was traded.
This is an excellent post, but it is still my belief that Lindsey was handling a sensitive situation in the best way he could, and that is why he did not just outright send Millsap walking. It was much easier to sell ownership and even the fanbase on it once he found the Golden State trade. Going full rebuild was a difficult decision (so difficult that the Jazz, prior to Lindsey, were incapable of making it) but it was definitely the right one.Jazz immediately informed Jefferson he wasn't in their plans after the season ended. But the media reported there were discussions between Millsap's agent and the Jazz right up until the GS deal came around. If you go back and read the newspaper reports (DN or Trib), there was apparently a divided FO on keeping Millsap or letting him go. And DMC also hung around until the Jazz informed him they were going in a different direction. But those chips didn't fall until AFTER GS made Lindsey an offer he couldn't refuse.
Also, remember early on, DL said they would be "value shoppers" in free agency. They were linked to quite a few players, including guys like Mayo. The team was rebuilding around Favors, Kanter and Hayward, but I believe there was serious debate on how that rebuild should proceed. Out with Mo, Foye and Al, but not necessarily out with Pal and DeMarre. But FA's were signing big contracts and GS stepped up with a great offer.
Had it not been for the perception of an historically great draft class, Utah may not have made the GS deal and chosen to spend their money on FA's, including keeping a couple of their own.
4/5: Millsap, Favors, Kanter
2/3: Hayward, DMC, Burks
1/2: Burke and F/A
Supplement with 1-2 key FA's. That's not a bad team. Still have youth, but also have a key veteran in Millsap. You can certainly argue that DMC would have been a better (and younger) fit than RJ. And Millsap was still young enough to give 5-6 more years of great play, eventually giving way as a starter to Kanter. He would have been an upgrade over Marvin Williams. Would have perhaps made the playoffs last season. Just for funz, assume the Jazz' pick would still have been Hood in the late teens/early 20's as we know he was valued that highly by Utah.
Essentially, Millsap and DMC were released to enable Utah to suck and get a top-10 pick. If Exum turns out to be someone special, it was a great move. If not, well, the terrible season was all in vain. Oh, except it gave Lindsey justification to get rid of Ty. So maybe even if Exum is a bust, it was still good.
This is an excellent post, but it is still my belief that Lindsey was handling a sensitive situation in the best way he could, and that is why he did not just outright send Millsap walking. It was much easier to sell ownership and even the fanbase on it once he found the Golden State trade. Going full rebuild was a difficult decision (so difficult that the Jazz, prior to Lindsey, were incapable of making it) but it was definitely the right one.
And BTW, you can throw into your final paragraph that gambit could also pay off if Hood blows up. That certainly looks like a long-term possibility. I absolutely believe that Exum (high risk/high reward) was the right play at 3, and I think the Hood/Snyder pickups could be just the get out of jail free card that DL needs if for some reason Dante doesn't work out.
One last thing: I still don't understand why they didn't bring Carroll back.
It's weird. They pick up an ordinary looking stone then brush it off and discover it's a diamond in the rough... and then they simply throw it away as if it were nothing but an ordinary stone.I don't get it either
This is an excellent post, but it is still my belief that Lindsey was handling a sensitive situation in the best way he could, and that is why he did not just outright send Millsap walking. It was much easier to sell ownership and even the fanbase on it once he found the Golden State trade. Going full rebuild was a difficult decision (so difficult that the Jazz, prior to Lindsey, were incapable of making it) but it was definitely the right one.
And BTW, you can throw into your final paragraph that gambit could also pay off if Hood blows up. That certainly looks like a long-term possibility. I absolutely believe that Exum (high risk/high reward) was the right play at 3, and I think the Hood/Snyder pickups could be just the get out of jail free card that DL needs if for some reason Dante doesn't work out.
One last thing: I still don't understand why they didn't bring Carroll back.