Gay marriage in Utah put on hold

[The Midnight]

That depends on how it is enacted. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

If the answer is "Yes" then what is the problem?

 

[babe]

I think not, particularly because employers can only write benefit contracts based on legal status. Employees and unions could impact that practice, and some smart insurers and employers could change that, but we need to change some tax laws as well.

 

[One Brow]

If the answer is "Yes" then what is the problem?

How would you feel if everyone refused to say you were a human, and referred to you only as a bipedal ape? They mean the same thing, after all.

 

[The Midnight]

How would you feel if everyone refused to say you were a human, and referred to you only as a bipedal ape? They mean the same thing, after all.

But they aren't exactly the same though. The same sex couples' inability to reproduce means there is at least a difference, IMO.

 

[babe]

@ OB

I think you mean Thomas Jefferson and a letter written to a New England Baptist group, at a time when many States still had official and State-supported churches. Jefferson was deeply. Religious but quarreled with organized religious groups.

His specific positions as Virginia's governor promoted his notions of the benefits of Christian faith in society, while adamant against special favors for any specific organized church, and especially against Federal acts of that sort.

There were several State churches then, and the meaning in Jefferson's letter accepted fact, and spoke to the bar against a Federal Estblishnent of special preferment s.

You have particular blindness to the effects of government actions in the past sixty years. Don't choke on your ignorance.

 

[One Brow]

But they aren't exactly the same though. The same sex couples' inability to reproduce means there is at least a difference, IMO.

So, when heretosexual couples choose to adopt children rather than have their own, you view their marriage as different from a heterosexual marriage where the couple has their own children?

Maybe I think there is a fundamental difference between people who apply standards consistently and those who apply them haphazardly. Perhaps I think only the first should be called "human", while the rest should be called "bipedal ape". Since you would be a bipedal ape under this notion, that doesn't bother you at all, right?

 

[One Brow]

I think you mean Thomas Jefferson and a letter written to a New England Baptist group,

That was one document by Jefferson which gave rise to a famous illustration, but you can find many more by Jefferson and Madison, among other founders.

There were several State churches then, and the meaning in Jefferson's letter accepted fact, and spoke to the bar against a Federal Estblishnent of special preferment s.

I agree that Jefferson lived before the 14th Amendment was passed.

You have particular blindness to the effects of government actions in the past sixty years.

Feel free to enumerate them. Based on experience, I'll probably agree with half of what you say, at least.

 

[moevillini]

How would you feel if everyone refused to say you were a human, and referred to you only as a bipedal ape? They mean the same thing, after all.

or maybe we should just all be called homo sapiens and then we'd all be homos




(sorry for the attempt at humor, but I couldn't resist)

 

[The Midnight]

So, when heretosexual couples choose to adopt children rather than have their own, you view their marriage as different from a heterosexual marriage where the couple has their own children?

It's still gonna be different having a male and a female in the family VS having x2 males, or x2 females.


Also in terms of adoption I don't think it's fair for a child to be stuck with a family with x2 males or x2 females if he/she would rather not be.

 

[moevillini]

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...bpoenas-sermons-in-ERO-court-case-5822800.php

In Houston there is a court case over a city law regarding equal rights. Now the court has subpoenaed the sermons and communications between pastors and members of their congregations.

Toughts? Does this violate any freedoms? I am sure Dutch will have a field day with this one.

here's a bit more about that Houston case:
https://abc13.com/news/pastors-sermons-subpoenaed-amid-hero-fight/350929/

The fight over the anti-discrimination ordinance that passed in May has included protests and petition drives. Thousands of signatures were deemed invalid, which led to the lawsuit.

Some signatures were acquired at churches which make the sermons fair game, according to City Attorney Dave Feldman.

"If they choose to do this inside the church, choose to do this from the pulpit, then they open the door to the questions being asked," Feldman said.

and

https://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/houston.asp

...The Houston Chronicle reported that Houston City Attorney David Feldman had suggested the documents demanded by the city could "shed light on the extent to which signature gatherers opposing the ordinance were aware of the rules governing the referendum process," namely a prohibition against churches' engaging in political activities:

Feldman said the pastors made their sermons relevant to the case by using the pulpit to do political organizing. That included encouraging congregation members to sign petitions and help gather signatures for equal rights ordinance foes, who largely take issue with the rights extended to gay and transgender residents.

Read more at https://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/houston.asp

 

[moevillini]

It's still gonna be different having a male and a female in the family VS having x2 males, or x2 females.


Also in terms of adoption I don't think it's fair for a child to be stuck with a family with x2 males or x2 females if he/she would rather not be.

oh good heck...

let's just let all kids decide who they'd want to be their parents...

maybe they'd all pick Santa Claus

 

[DutchJazzer]

I know a woman named Gaye (with an "e") and my mom had a good friend named Gay (spelled just like that)

We also have neighbors whose last name is Gayes and some years back for a while next door to them was a family of 2 gay men and their 2 children. One day I asked one of my kids to bring something over to the Gayes' house and they brought it to the wrong house. So later that evening I get a call from one of the men asking what it was all about and I said "oh that's for the Gayes..." Then I sort of paused awkwardly and he laughed and said he'd bring it next door.

That was probably 15 years ago.

i heards there was a basketball player named rudy GAY