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How good or bad is Enes Kanter. Really.

Stifle Tower said:
So maybe if he struggles we get him cheaper this summer?
Only a 4-year deal. Might be worth it to keep him and draft another PF. If Favors or Gobert go down, Kanter can fill in at the 5; we need a guy like that. And he keeps working on his shot under Quin.
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He can't play the 5 anymore, he is 247 lbs. Blake looked like an older brother, pushing him around on a driveway court. Kanter is kind of in no man's land right now. An experiment gone awry.
 
This is total BS. Kanter DID have(maybe even still has if he pulls his head out of his arse) the potential to be an All-Star big man. Him not fulfilling his potential certainly doesn't mean that people were wrong about his potential. Do I think that he will be only an average player/bench big man? At this point, yes. But I and everyone else who thought similar things about him had all the right and necessary reasons to think that he could be an impact player in the NBA.
 
I can blame the early preseason fail of 3's to mental unreadiness, but if he can't straighten his shooting consistency longer into the regular season, I will have the idea that he is not working on anything to get better. If he really has the ability to shoot, he must nail those wide open chances. And he must have the ability to calculate his hot-hand level or cold-streak coming ahead, so that he can skip to playing low post which he is really good at to contribute on offense. Versatility is a blessing if it is actually used, not only talked about.
 
Ok, so I had a post that I deleted about Enes Kanter because I realized I was being too harsh on him. I think that he did ok last year considering how new he is to the NBA. I would like to see him gain some confidence and toughness this year. With his size he should really focus on his physique and bulk up. He needs to be able to push his defenders around in the paint. I think that we are going to see a different Kanter come regular season in comparison to what we saw in the preseason.
 
Let's imagine the Mailman being asked to shoot threes. Not just a few. But, for that to part of your offensive scheme. How effective would he be? Or how about asking Favors to do the same thing how effective would Favors be? If you think that they would struggle? Then why ask so much from our third year player who has been on a short leash since he got here? Hayward gave us five years of nothing. Now he seems to finally be rounding into shape. Why be so critical of players like Kanter if you see what Hayward has started to become?

Maybe he can become a Memo type player with an ability to play physical.
 
Enes CanTear You Apart said:
This is total BS. Kanter DID have(maybe even still has if he pulls his head out of his arse) the potential to be an All-Star big man. Him not fulfilling his potential certainly doesn't mean that people were wrong about his potential. Do I think that he will be only an average player/bench big man? At this point, yes. But I and everyone else who thought similar things about him had all the right and necessary reasons to think that he could be an impact player in the NBA.
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Not going to happen. Al Jefferson really blew up in his fourth year averaging 21/11/1.5 and has never made an all star team because of his defense.
Kanter might do 15/8 this season with comparable defense to Al's.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Not going to happen. Al Jefferson really blew up in his fourth year averaging 21/11/1.5 and has never made an all star team because of his defense.
Kanter might do 15/8 this season with comparable defense to Al's.
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Lol it has nothing to due with him playing defense or not. That isn't really considered in All-Star voting. They consider a combination of numbers and how much your team wins. There just have always been bigs putting up similar numbers in the West who actually played on winning teams.
 
Enes CanTear You Apart said:
This is total BS. Kanter DID have(maybe even still has if he pulls his head out of his arse) the potential to be an All-Star big man. Him not fulfilling his potential certainly doesn't mean that people were wrong about his potential. Do I think that he will be only an average player/bench big man? At this point, yes. But I and everyone else who thought similar things about him had all the right and necessary reasons to think that he could be an impact player in the NBA.
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Nah dude he just kind of sucks and is an extremely flawed player, always has been. He has potential because of some solid footwork and touch that developed at an early age, but he lacks any kind of mental or athletic potential. Hard to be good in this league if you are a below average athlete and a way below average IQ player.
 
Cy said:
Lol it has nothing to due with him playing defense or not. That isn't really considered in All-Star voting. They consider a combination of numbers and how much your team wins. There just have always been bigs putting up similar numbers in the West who actually played on winning teams.
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Al did 21.8/11.2 last year and was not voted in.
Sap did 17.9/8.5 and was a reserve.

That's a fairly big difference production wise. Al had the better PER. Charlotte and Atlanta's records were comparable. Why was Sap voted in over Al?
 
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Jazz4ever said:
Al did 21.8/11.2 last year and was not voted in.
Sap did 17.9/8.5 and was a reserve.

That's a fairly big difference production wise. Al had the better PER. Charlotte and Atlanta's records were comparable. Why was Sap voted in over Al?
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Maybe because he was more athletic and fitting to an All-Star game.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think that although kanter has some real weaknesses, I don't think shooting is one of them.
Right now his shot is not falling but I think it's just a slump/funk. I believe he is a great mid range shooter and I think his three point shot will come around.
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This guy knows what he is talking about
 
Kanter is like 2/3 from corner 3´s this season.... He should take more from the corner...
 
One thing I like about the core 5, is that they are all pretty even in terms of talent level and effectiveness in the NBA and we will see somebody different step up on any given night. Kanter was the guy who had looked the worst so far and people were starting get a little down on him (perhaps rightly so, to an extent, if you're just judging on what you'd seen early on) and he goes out and gets 27 on 12-17. None of these guys are the superstar we all wish we had, but they are all good NBA players and as a fivesome, they have a chance to do some damage in the NBA this season.
 
Lots of points for Kanter tonight, which is cool. Plenty of lapses on defense, too. I'm glad he's going to get a chance this year with a new system, but I refuse to get too excited about potential "breakthroughs."
 
seattlejazzfan said:
One thing I like about the core 5, is that they are all pretty even in terms of talent level and effectiveness in the NBA and we will see somebody different step up on any given night. Kanter was the guy who had looked the worst so far and people were starting get a little down on him (perhaps rightly so, to an extent, if you're just judging on what you'd seen early on) and he goes out and gets 27 on 12-17. None of these guys are the superstar we all wish we had, but they are all good NBA players and as a fivesome, they have a chance to do some damage in the NBA this season.
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Yep.

Very well balanced starting five.... and some decent pieces on the bench.

Mix in a good coach and we should be pretty good. Too bad the west is so tough
 
seattlejazzfan said:
One thing I like about the core 5, is that they are all pretty even in terms of talent level and effectiveness in the NBA and we will see somebody different step up on any given night. Kanter was the guy who had looked the worst so far and people were starting get a little down on him (perhaps rightly so, to an extent, if you're just judging on what you'd seen early on) and he goes out and gets 27 on 12-17. None of these guys are the superstar we all wish we had, but they are all good NBA players and as a fivesome, they have a chance to do some damage in the NBA this season.
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I'm more big on the top 10 than the top 5. We know who they are, nothing incredible. The top ten seems deep relative to expectations for this team.

I think Burks has taken a big step this summer, and will do much better with Snyder's tempo.

Gobert can't do anything but improve. Having him for minutes off the bench is a solid fill in.

Booker has been very impressive thus far. TBH I don't know if he's a 3 or a 4, but he looks to fill either role as well as Marvin (someone who I love as a role player).

Exum is looking raw as ever but the court vision is definitely there. Where did the lobs go outside the 15-20 "Early-oop"? Exum got dat.

Novak can fill solid minutes off the bench.

Favors, Hayward, and Kanter should make incremental improvements.

Trey will get better than his rookie campaign.

Jeremy is Jeremy and will make stuff happen when he comes in.

Hood is the wild card to round out my top ten, or eleven. He looks like he belongs in the NBA. I've been very impressed with his offensive game thus far, as we all expected him to have. His pnr is deceptively pretty.



Deep team, no stars. That's my observation. I think DL might be trying to set up a NYK-Denver type trade for a super star. The Jazz have potential pieces. At the same time, I don't want to be NYK. We need a breakout or we need to suffer through another couple bad seasons and get lucky in the draft. Go Exum n Gobert rah rah rah.
 
fishonjazz said:
This guy knows what he is talking about
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Deflate your pants bro.

There's a reason he hasn't been shooting them in years past. Let us let the kid put in the work and prove he deserves the shot before projecting.

I think Kanter can improve to shoot the three like Memo but he's obviously not there yet.
 
franklin said:
I'm more big on the top 10 than the top 5. We know who they are, nothing incredible. The top ten seems deep relative to expectations for this team.

I think Burks has taken a big step this summer, and will do much better with Snyder's tempo.

Gobert can't do anything but improve. Having him for minutes off the bench is a solid fill in.

Booker has been very impressive thus far. TBH I don't know if he's a 3 or a 4, but he looks to fill either role as well as Marvin (someone who I love as a role player).

Exum is looking raw as ever but the court vision is definitely there. Where did the lobs go outside the 15-20 "Early-oop"? Exum got dat.

Novak can fill solid minutes off the bench.

Favors, Hayward, and Kanter should make incremental improvements.

Trey will get better than his rookie campaign.

Jeremy is Jeremy and will make stuff happen when he comes in.

Hood is the wild card to round out my top ten, or eleven. He looks like he belongs in the NBA. I've been very impressed with his offensive game thus far, as we all expected him to have. His pnr is deceptively pretty.



Deep team, no stars. That's my observation. I think DL might be trying to set up a NYK-Denver type trade for a super star. The Jazz have potential pieces. At the same time, I don't want to be NYK. We need a breakout or we need to suffer through another couple bad seasons and get lucky in the draft. Go Exum n Gobert rah rah rah.
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Great post
 
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