If you were granted the fore-knowledge that the Utah Jazz would never win a title...

[Jazz Spazz]

I don't know why this conversation is still going on.
Don't we all know deep down that the Jazz will never win a championship?
Well, that's what Stern said when I met him at Best Buy last year.
By the way, he was buying a washing machine there.... I didn't even know they sold them there before that day.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

I watch each and every game for what it is, every game provides some level of enjoyment (some more in a masochist kind of way) like Chem, LoaP and others have said it isn't JUST the title why I watch. It is part of it of course and I'd imagine knowing some kind of outcome might change the game I think I'd still watch and if I didn't then I wouldn't follow the NBA any more period.
But it's hard to say since it is all just hypothetical.

Also the longer I'm on this board the more I feel that some people here are like the kid in 1st grade just dying to tell everybody that will listen that there is no Santa Clause.

 

[AKistheFEARFACTOR]

as i get older i realize in this business how difficult it is for the jazz to win a championship. with the foresight that they will never win a championship i would stay a jazz fan, but they probably wouldnt be my favorite team. wtf is the point in cheering for something knowing u can never come out #1. knowing the outcome takes all the fun out of it. coming to thought that the nba is "fixed" in the way that certain players get certain calls, certain teams favor others (Lakers, Celtics), whats to say that at least in a few years we dont get another Jazz - Bulls matchup. Oh how lovely that would be. Yet again, anything can happen, any matchup can be altered by an injury, and with deron williams on board i dont think it is correct to say that u honestly dont believe they can win a championship. winning jst one championship would bring so much joy to my life.

 

[Hitman]

I'll just start rootings for the Clippers or OKC.

OKC have a chance as long as they have Durant. If we can't win it, I want the Thunder to win because Durant is a class act (compare his humble off-season contract signing vs "The Douchision").

 

[NUMBERICA]

OKC have a chance as long as they have Durant. If we can't win it, I want the Thunder to win because Durant is a class act (compare his humble off-season contract signing vs "The Douchision").

To be fair to Lebron, when he extended from his rookie deal, he did it low-key then. I have hope for Durant, but he still has a lot of time to turn into a douche-bag.

 

[Scorpjazz]

You obviously haven't been actually reading, you apparently just wanted to spout off. OF COURSE we have hope of the Jazz being a championship team some year. OF COURSE we live and die with the team, it is our team and we root for them day in and day out. But being a fan is different for everyone. OK so you think that "fans" are only fans when they scream themselves hoars at every game, mourn in sack-cloth and ashes after a loss, and bet $25,000 each year on the Jazz to win it all. Ok we get it. That is your version of a fan. Some of us live in reality, and can recognize when things aren't going perfectly and don't expect them to win it all every single year, yet we still enjoy the games, enjoy the team and watching them play, root for them to do well, all while accepting we ain't getting there this year. And probably not next year either.

Just because we can accept reality and recognize that the team isn't championship caliber and we do not buy into your BS retoric that it is always all or nothing, does not mean we are any less fans than you are.

By the way you tempered your own hope (in bold above). Pot, meet kettle.

I wanted to reply with a long post, but wow. Your post pretty much leaves no hope for you. You insinuate, wrongly, how I feel about the team and then proved that you are, in fact, the fan I was talking about. Good job.

 

[David Stern]

Would you stay a Jazz fan?

Yes, as long as a roided-up Harpring beats the crap out of Kobe on our court one of these days. That would make the pain go away.

 

[LogGrad98]

I wanted to reply with a long post, but wow. Your post pretty much leaves no hope for you. You insinuate, wrongly, how I feel about the team and then proved that you are, in fact, the fan I was talking about. Good job.

LOL nice non-answer. You have studied your ad hominem tactics. I answered with an explanation of what it means to be a fan, you say that makes me "jade"? What part of my post exactly "proves" that I am jaded? You came out with an all-out attack on anyone who doesn't, by your estimation, "live or die" by the team. You claim we temper our hope, then you turn around and do the same thing. I guess you have proven my point: you don't actually read posts, you skim long enough to form some kind of rebuttal - asinine and wrong, but still a rebuttal. If you can't discuss anything in terms other than absolutes then I guess there is nothing else to discuss.

The really funny thing, and a fact that further proves you aren't reading what is being said, is what this thread is all about. Did you notice that the title of the thread is "If you were granted the fore-knowledge that the Utah Jazz would never win a title..." That right there invites speculation. The answers you read are framed mostly in that context. We are discussing the merits of being a fan under the pretense that WE KNOW FOR A FACT THEY WILL NEVER WIN. No one was laying out there how they actually feel this season or in the future. It was an exercise in a rhetorical question. You took that literally and attacked accordingly, as if what you were reading were truly what everyone thought about the team in the here and now. Maybe you ought to re-read this thread so you can actually put things in context. Or you can continue to live in your own world. That is probably more fun than actually thinking anyway.

 

[moevillini]

...We are discussing the merits of being a fan under the pretense that WE KNOW FOR A FACT THEY WILL NEVER WIN....

in general my personal theories of human nature make me think that what we may "know" as an absolutely certainty is not necessarily going to change what we believe may be possible. In other words, even though we may be told that it is an absolute certainty that the Jazz will never win a championship, many of us will continue to believe that there's a chance they will. In other words, we'd be willing to bet there's a chance the prediction is wrong.


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in general my personal theories of human nature make me think that what we may "know" as an absolutely certainty is not necessarily going to change what we believe may be possible. In other words, even though we may be told that it is an absolute certainty that the Jazz will never win a championship, many of us will continue to believe that there's a chance they will. In other words, we'd be willing to bet there's a chance the prediction is wrong.


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So you're saying there's a chance

 

[moevillini]

So you're saying there's a chance

hey, I've lived my entire life surrounded by Cubs fans, whadya expect?

 

[LogGrad98]

in general my personal theories of human nature make me think that what we may "know" as an absolutely certainty is not necessarily going to change what we believe may be possible. In other words, even though we may be told that it is an absolute certainty that the Jazz will never win a championship, many of us will continue to believe that there's a chance they will. In other words, we'd be willing to bet there's a chance the prediction is wrong.


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I think you are right about this. I know I am fairly skeptical and I think I would go partly down this route too, wondering if the prediction was accurate. We cling to hope where we can.

This kind of thing is also what makes it hard to discuss these types of questions. I remember having a discussion with a friend who was pre-med about what it might be like to have cancer, since he was working partly in a cancer center at the time. Then I was diagnosed with osteogenic sarcoma (bone cancer) about a year later. When he came to visit me one day in the hospital during a chemo treatment it was interesting to have another discussion when I knew the reality of it. Most of our suppositions were wrong or at least off-base or under-estimated. The same would apply to any hypothetical discussion. Fact is you cannot know unless/until you are in that situation.

Still makes for interesting banter.