the secret value of Trey Burke

[Coach Ellis]

does this mean you're advocating for starting Exum? Aren't you worried about that?

No. I think that they should look to pick up a veteran reserve on an expiring contract or sign Gal Mekel (veteran international player) or Seth Curry (performing well in the D league and a former Duke guy) to push Burke down and play in the system while not pushing Exum into the starting lineup too soon. I like how they're developing him. I think yu have to look outside the organization to solve this issue, and I don't spend quality assets to do it. Look for the diamond in the rough instead of trading for an expensive bandaid.

 

[Hantlers]

The idea that DL drafted a player that he knew wasn't up to par, and not just drafted, but traded up for, simply to get a coach fired is absolutely asinine. If DL actually did do that (and he didn't), then that alone shows that he isn't a GM.

Simply put, DL isn't going to ruin his draft record reputation by trading up for a player that he knew would fail. He gambled, he lost. End of story.

 

[Hantlers]

No. I think that they should look to pick up a veteran reserve on an expiring contract or sign Gal Mekel (veteran international player) or Seth Curry (performing well in the D league and a former Duke guy) to push Burke down and play in the system while not pushing Exum into the starting lineup too soon. I like how they're developing him. I think yu have to look outside the organization to solve this issue, and I don't spend quality assets to do it. Look for the diamond in the rough instead of trading for an expensive bandaid.

Seth Curry couldn't play PG in college, I highly doubt he can play it in the NBA. Slow, not a good defender, and worse at creating for others than Burke.

 

[My2Cents]

And, he lets Corbin make his own bed to lie in. When Corbin can't pass muster, who's left to grab the reins? Dennis.

It's on record that Trey is Corbin's pick. TREY'S FAILURE FURTHER CEMENTS DENNIS PLACE IN THE GAME OF THRONES. That's his secret value. Trey isn't Dennis' mulligan; he's the last sacrifice to the old order. Dennis in now king.

I'd say DL made Corbin's bed and set him up to fail. And where is it on record that Trey was Corbin's pick? It's just silly to assume that DL would allow Ty to run his draft. DL put the roster together, DL traded up for Trey when he should have stood pat, and DL failed to secure future assets for Jefferson and Millsap when it was obviously time to move on.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I'd say DL made Corbin's bed and set him up to fail. And where is it on record that Trey was Corbin's pick? It's just silly to assume that DL would allow Ty to run his draft. DL put the roster together, DL traded up for Trey when he should have stood pat, and DL failed to secure future assets for Jefferson and Millsap when it was obviously time to move on.

I'll give you that DL should have stood pat in the draft, and not reached to fill a need wit Burke, but I don't think that losing Millsap and Jeffersonis on him at all. 2012 he was it given full control of the team. The powers that be wanted to try reloading and remaining relevant, and that effort failed. They barely missed the playoffs, but it wouldn't have mattered. Had they gotten in AND advanced to the 2nd round, I'd be shocked if DL would have gotten the okay to tear down and rebuild.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Burke is our place holder thats his value. I think there is some truth in NAOS OP though. I think Burke would be a decent backup, but he is in a role much larger than it should be and he's now the rookie QB who's afraid to get hit and has developed bad habits. We need to keep him until we have a decent vet to shelter Exum. He isn't ready yet... I think mid year next year he'll be ready to start.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

My only qualm with DL is the Novak trade. If I was a gm and Massai called me I'd just let it go to VM. That guy is using some Jedi mind tricks or voodoo or something.

 

[Coach Ellis]

My only qualm with DL is the Novak trade. If I was a gm and Massai called me I'd just let it go to VM. That guy is using some Jedi mind tricks or voodoo or something.

I didn't like the trade up for Burke, but I can understand why they would make that move. The Novak trade made no sense at all. I understand assuming salary to buy assets, but his contract seemed too much for two years for just a 2nd round pick. I'd have much, much, much rather had them take on Jeremy Lin's contract for a 1st and 2nd. Plus, it would have given the Jazz a fallback in case Burke/Exum wasn't ready to start this year. Not a great option, but I'd have much rather gone this route instead. Trading for Novak, not re-signing DMC and not using their early 2nd round pick this past year are the only three moves that I didn't care for. Other than that, I'm perfectly happy with DL's performance.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I get the point of it, but they really shoud have stayed at #14 and #21 and trust their scouts. I don't think that DL did that. Would he have picked Antetokounmpo? Probably not. They were picking for need. I think that means that they end up with either Muhammad or Schroeder. Both would be upgrades over Burke. Draft for size or speed vs. intangibles or college success.

Imo, it was a rookie mistake. And a minor one at that. But you have to realize your mistake and move on. They have to bench Trey Burke. Right now, he hurts the team more than he helps.

I could be mistaken, but I thought there was a rumor the Jazz were interested in a big, but heard he'd be gone before they picked. If that's the case, they would have been targeting Adams or Olynyk. Had they gotten either of those two, they probably would not have drafted Rudy. I originally wanted Adams and Schroder, but saw both were rated higher in the mocks than where the Jazz would be picking. So I switched allegiance to Gobert with the 2nd pick and let several others convince me Giannis should be the selection at #14.

It's all good, though. By shooting and defending so poorly, Trey has been a major part of the tank last year and this one. Jazz got Exum last summer and every game Trey can shoot us out of this year may boost us a spot higher in the draft.

 

[stitches]

My only qualm with DL is the Novak trade. If I was a gm and Massai called me I'd just let it go to VM. That guy is using some Jedi mind tricks or voodoo or something.

Why? We got a second rounder out of it(and if the Knicks keep struggling it will be a good one)? We are not losing anything for lending 3M of our capspace in a year we are not fighting for anything...

 

[The Midnight]

Someone's been watching too much Game of Thrones lately..... (step away from the ledge NAOS).

 

[NAOS]

The idea that DL drafted a player that he knew wasn't up to par, and not just drafted, but traded up for, simply to get a coach fired is absolutely asinine. If DL actually did do that (and he didn't), then that alone shows that he isn't a GM.

Simply put, DL isn't going to ruin his draft record reputation by trading up for a player that he knew would fail. He gambled, he lost. End of story.

That's not what I said. I'm shocked that you took massive liberties in interpreting what was written.

I do think Dennis placated to the old order on that pick. I think he chose to do so because there weren't any obviously better picks in that class at that spot. And, he knew they had the permission/funds/deal to buy another pick later.