Is there a fundamental misunderstanding betwen Mormons and Muslims? help solving the puzzle!!
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Hantlers
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Same thing. They believe the Bible is God's spoken word, for a period of time it was sufficient, and then it became insufficient, thus not complete, thus a mistake.
spycam1
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Hantlers
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I think you're missing what I'm saying.
The Bible is not God's spoken word. I've never heard of anyone who believes such things. The Bible was written by different authors over a long period. What made it to the Bible was also decided and collected by men long after the events of the book took place.
I know you're going for "their religion is stupid, but mine makes sense" hilarity. But at least use agreed upon knowledge.
Hantlers
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The belief is the authors were inspired by the Holy Spirit, according to the Trinity the Holy Spirit is God, thus God's word. Pretty common belief among Christians. I can certainly understand why people wouldn't believe that, but it is a common belief among Christians.
But that's a different story than the one you proposed earlier. The Bible is many different books written by many different authors. Let's say they were inspired by God, that doesn't mean it is the only thing God ever inspired. Since the Americas were separated from the rest of the world, God could have inspired those people to write other books.
This is different than the idea that God said all he had to say in the Bible, then backtracked and released a sequel.
Stifle Tower
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Wow...so many leaps.
God may be infallibe, but men aren't. And as so many have mentioned, the many, many versions of the Bible are compilations made by men of various writings which were written many years, decades, centuries AFTER the events. And in fact, I think most scholars would agree some parts of the Bible are legends which illustrate principles, but are not necessarily historical. And which books are to be included in the "Bible" and which are not? Personally, I have a problem with the Song of Solomon, which is nothing more than soft-porn. Different versions of the Bible have different books, as well as differing translations, which often lead to different interpretations.
If there is a God, he did not make a mistake, but many men may have in choosing which books to include, in translation, etc. And if you are to believe Joseph Smith, God did not have him "write" the BofM. It was something he translated. It may be far-fetched, but I don't find it contradictory. Should the word of God have stopped after the Pentateuch? Should the Ten Commandments and the Law of Moses have been the be all and end all of God's word? Or maybe there was a need to supplant and supplement with the teachings of later prophets, including Christ.
To me...if I accept there is a God...it seems strange that "revelation" would have stopped with the death of Christ and his apostles. In 2000 years, God has absolutely nothing else to say to us? If we are left to navigate the many new issues which have arisen since the passing of Christ by simply relying on the various councils of religious leaders - sans revelation or inspiration from God, then I may as well not believe in God, at least not on a personal level. If that truly is the case, then a Higher Power might be just some mystical energy, responsible for the life force of the Universe, but not for any of us individually. That's just too depressing for me to believe. Call me weak, but the ONLY thing that gives true meaning to my life is my family. And if I were to lose that belief, I'd probably lose the reason to keep living.
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God must be a woman, eh?
Just can't stop talking, and changing her story as she goes along...
After all, it's a woman's prerogative to change her mind!
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I think the biggest conflict is between those that have a holy book and take it as the literal word of God, and those that don't.
Sexist. I'm calling OB right away.
The Blue Elephant
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I wish Muslims were as faithful and hard working as mormons are.
MVP
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As in every religion there will be great and terrible people. First family of mormons I met and had a bit of closer relationship were absolutely disgusting human beings. Parents were abusive to their kids and two from 3 girls grew up doing drugs, alcohol, stealing from shops and being sluts as well. And after all of them grew up and moved out dad came out of the closet as gay and left his wife and moved to live with his new male partner.
I get why Mormons feel the Bible has been corrupted.. makes sense, actually (although I personally have a different take).
However, I have a problem with the Jesus portion. If Jesus is who the Bible says He is and He did, for us, what the Bible says He did.. then why was the BoM needed to 'solve' the apostasy through a new set of ordinances, etc. Seems like that definitely suggests what Jesus did was less than entirely sufficient.
However, I have a problem with the Jesus portion. If Jesus is who the Bible says He is and He did, for us, what the Bible says He did.. then why was the BoM needed to 'solve' the apostasy through a new set of ordinances, etc. Seems like that definitely suggests what Jesus did was less than entirely sufficient.
I wish Kanter would work as hard as MJ did.
I appreciate the respectful reply.
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Meant to click on the Baruch thread and got this. Yikes!