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Ante Tomic?
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♪alt13
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If he did come over would he be on a rookie deal based on where he was picked? or would it be open contract negotiations?
If a rookie deal that could be great. Sign and trade kanter replace with a cheap rookie contract on a guy that's ready to play. It would give us a good deal of muscle(money) in the FA market.
If a rookie deal that could be great. Sign and trade kanter replace with a cheap rookie contract on a guy that's ready to play. It would give us a good deal of muscle(money) in the FA market.
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Open negotiation... Although those guys can generally be had a little cheaper than US players... Mirotic got $5 M per. Tomic would probably get somewhere around $3 M.
Coach Ellis
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After 3 years from being drafted, it's no longer based on the rookie contract. They'd have to negotiate a 3 year deal with him, but it's really just Utah and Barcelona competing for his services.
The buyout should be reasonable (since it's an option year), but the Jazz can only contribute a portion to that. Anything else, and the contract has to be large enough to cover the buyout and pay him at market value. He's been making about $3.5 million per year (or so), so the full MLE of $5 million per year (which is what they pay Booker) should be enough of an upgrade to make him consider it. If they have cap space, they could go above that number - if that's what it takes to get him to come over. The main reason that he'd consider coming over is his earning potential. He'll need a real commitment from the Jazz to get him to come over, but the value of his 2nd contract (if he continues to play well) dwarfs his initial Jazz contract, which should be about twice what he's making right now. NBA teams simply pay better for proven talent.
For refrence, Nicola Mirotic just paid $3 million for his buyout, but then got a 3 year $17 million contract from the Bulls. Mirotic is essentially in the same boat that Tomic was, except the Jazz weren't ready to bring him over when they had a chance and he signed a 3 year (plus 1 year team option) contract with Barcelona when he was a little older than Mirotic is now. At 28, this might be his last shot at NBA money if he doesn't come over this year.
The buyout should be reasonable (since it's an option year), but the Jazz can only contribute a portion to that. Anything else, and the contract has to be large enough to cover the buyout and pay him at market value. He's been making about $3.5 million per year (or so), so the full MLE of $5 million per year (which is what they pay Booker) should be enough of an upgrade to make him consider it. If they have cap space, they could go above that number - if that's what it takes to get him to come over. The main reason that he'd consider coming over is his earning potential. He'll need a real commitment from the Jazz to get him to come over, but the value of his 2nd contract (if he continues to play well) dwarfs his initial Jazz contract, which should be about twice what he's making right now. NBA teams simply pay better for proven talent.
For refrence, Nicola Mirotic just paid $3 million for his buyout, but then got a 3 year $17 million contract from the Bulls. Mirotic is essentially in the same boat that Tomic was, except the Jazz weren't ready to bring him over when they had a chance and he signed a 3 year (plus 1 year team option) contract with Barcelona when he was a little older than Mirotic is now. At 28, this might be his last shot at NBA money if he doesn't come over this year.
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I would much, much rather have Tomic on a 3 year contract, than Kanter.
We simply need Tomic's passing game on this team.
We simply need Tomic's passing game on this team.
Coach Ellis
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4th or 5th big, for about the same minutes he gets in Europe, for about what Booker is making. . . and this is an issue?
If the Jazz trade Kanter, then I think they make an effort to bring him over. Rudy and Favors are the starters moving forward. Jazz just need guys who can come in off the bench and contribute for stretches. He can score and he can pass. Wish they'd have just brought him over in 2012 when they had the chance, but they picked Evans (and his cheaper contract) instead.
If the Jazz trade Kanter, then I think they make an effort to bring him over. Rudy and Favors are the starters moving forward. Jazz just need guys who can come in off the bench and contribute for stretches. He can score and he can pass. Wish they'd have just brought him over in 2012 when they had the chance, but they picked Evans (and his cheaper contract) instead.
Kyoto
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Yeah European players that wait until their career is almost over is always a bad idea.
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candrew
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Yeah European players that wait until their career is almost over is always a bad idea.
Sabonis was born in communist Russia - he couldn't play in the US early in his career. And even if he could it was a different world back then.
Coach Ellis
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Plus. . . I like Tomic a lot and hope that they bring him over. . . but he's no Arvydas Sabonis. Not even after Sabonis got hurt.
I think that the Jazz need to bring Tomic over this year if they want him at all. He won't need to start to be worth the investment, and his flaws will be no worse than any other backup big that the Jazz can acquire for that cost.
If they do, then I could see his contribution being very, very similar to that of Joe Ingles. And quite frankly, Jingles has been a Godsend for the Jazz without Burks and Hood. The past few games show just how much it helps having him in the lineup over Lilsap and Co.
I think that the Jazz need to bring Tomic over this year if they want him at all. He won't need to start to be worth the investment, and his flaws will be no worse than any other backup big that the Jazz can acquire for that cost.
If they do, then I could see his contribution being very, very similar to that of Joe Ingles. And quite frankly, Jingles has been a Godsend for the Jazz without Burks and Hood. The past few games show just how much it helps having him in the lineup over Lilsap and Co.
Kyoto
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Sabonis is still a great example of a player that came over late in his career and still produced. IDK if the NBA changed THAT much in 15 years where a guy of his talents wouldnt still be great in the league. A player like Kevin Love is practically a stiff and he is a double double man a night. Sabonis would still get close to the same today that he did back then.
But my point was that it has happened before where someone came later in his career and still produced. Even if Tomic was a good bench player, it would still be worth bringing him over.
Kyoto
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Yeah I was just making the point that it has happened before and you shouldnt just dismiss the idea of bringing someone over just because of his age.
Coach Ellis
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My guess is that it's either this year, or not at all. Barcelona is hot to extend him, but he has some real leverage now. Utah can either come hard and convince him to jump, or he can use the Jazz to get a better contract in Spain instead of playing for his team option number - which is going to be less than he's worth.
And Tomic is in his PRIME right now. He's playing at a very high level right now.
MDAV28
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He is like our Kanter insurance policy