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Serious quesiton for people who deny human involvement in climate change/global warming

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Dr. Jones said:
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I think this sentiment is unfair(not to the party but to the people that get assistance).

Most of the people on assistance are either disabled, elderly, or working poor. They aren't lazy they are just not as good at playing the capitalist game, never had access to capital, or had a stroke of bad luck. Wealth seems to be an excuse for laziness we just call it leisure when wealthy people do it. How is spending a week on a beach in Cancun not lazy? This is a level of leisure/laziness the working poor will likely never enjoy.

In my experience wealth and poverty are not good indicators of work ethic.
 
Stoked said:
I know it does. Usually the term spiritual is applied to those that believe in something more but are not part of a religion.

Either way it's not something I thought I'd hear Roach called. Just made me laugh is all.
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I would include myself in the spiritual category, no need for 3rd parties in the middle of my relationship with God, Allah, Source, call it what you will I think it's all the same thing.

Not to be confused with the New Age garbage.
 
♪alt13 said:
I think this sentiment is unfair(not to the party but to the people that get assistance).

Most of the people on assistance are either disabled, elderly, or working poor. They aren't lazy they are just not as good at playing the capitalist game, never had access to capital, or had a stroke of bad luck. Wealth seems to be an excuse for laziness we just call it leisure when wealthy people do it. How is spending a week on a beach in Cancun not lazy? This is a level of leisure/laziness the working poor will likely never enjoy.

In my experience wealth and poverty are not good indicators of work ethic.
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Political jokes are usually unfair for one reason or another.
 
Jamezz said:
I would include myself in the spiritual category, no need for 3rd parties in the middle of my relationship with God, Allah, Source, call it what you will I think it's all the same thing.

Not to be confused with the New Age garbage.
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What's the difference?
 
♪alt13 said:
I think this sentiment is unfair(not to the party but to the people that get assistance).

Most of the people on assistance are either disabled, elderly, or working poor. They aren't lazy they are just not as good at playing the capitalist game, never had access to capital, or had a stroke of bad luck. Wealth seems to be an excuse for laziness we just call it leisure when wealthy people do it. How is spending a week on a beach in Cancun not lazy? This is a level of leisure/laziness the working poor will likely never enjoy.

In my experience wealth and poverty are not good indicators of work ethic.
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I don't disagree with your view of the poor, but the example of leisure is strange and inapplicable. The comic is about entitlement, not the virtue of being 100% efficient 24/7. Everyone needs a bit of leisure, regardless of how good a work ethic they have. It is a basic human need.
 
Siro said:
What's the difference?
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Well, I should have added that I see it as an individual relationship with such being. Being part of a collective would imply following a series of guidelines with which I may not be in accordance with all of them.
 
Siro said:
I don't disagree with your view of the poor, but the example of leisure is strange and inapplicable. The comic is about entitlement, not the virtue of being 100% efficient 24/7. Everyone needs a bit of leisure, regardless of how good a work ethic they have. It is a basic human need.
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So you think the wealthy have less or more of a sense of entitlement than the poor?
 
Global warming is invented by Illuminati. Nobody would belief this crap if they did not invent Autism and have half the population on ADHD drugs. What is Utah up to 25-30 percent are autism and ADHD?
 
Siro said:
It would depend on the individual and how you define entitlement.
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It would also depend on how you define entitlement. Which is why I went with lazy. It's the base/true/underlying sentiment to the cartoon. I'm certain that if you showed 10 people that cartoon and asked them for 5 words that describe the man sitting under the tree at least 9 would include the word lazy in their list. If you then asked those people what makes this man "lazy" I think they could give you a decent answer without falling back on "It depends on how do define lazy". There is so much idealist obfuscation within both political and economic conversations in this country that I don't think you can relay a message across that divide without using blunt language. If you choose not to then you risk an argument over definitions. While this can be productive it was not my goal here.
 
♪alt13 said:
It would also depend on how you define entitlement.
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Literally the second half of what I said. lol

Which is why I went with lazy. It's the base/true/underlying sentiment to the cartoon. I'm certain that if you showed 10 people that cartoon and asked them for 5 words that describe the man sitting under the tree at least 9 would include the word lazy in their list. If you then asked those people what makes this man "lazy" I think they could give you a decent answer without falling back on "It depends on how do define lazy". There is so much idealist obfuscation within both political and economic conversations in this country that I don't think you can relay a message across that divide without using blunt language. If you choose not to then you risk an argument over definitions. While this can be productive it was not my goal here.
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The comic plays on the idea that Democrats want everyone to get a piece of the pie, regardless of whether or not they're contributing to society. While this is clearly unfair, because as you stated, poverty is not always a product of laziness, the counter argument is also dishonest. Poverty is OFTEN the product of a broken culture/community, and not simply due to your implication that **** happens, or the more ambiguous "don't know how to play the capitalist game".
 
Siro said:
Literally the second half of what I said. lol
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It was supposed to be. That's the point.

Siro said:
The comic plays on the idea that Democrats want everyone to get a piece of the pie, regardless of whether or not they're contributing to society. While this is clearly unfair, because as you stated, poverty is not always a product of laziness, the counter argument is also dishonest. Poverty is OFTEN the product of a broken culture/community, and not simply due to your implication that **** happens, or the more ambiguous "don't know how to play the capitalist game".
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You're proving my point about the difficulty to have a conversation such as this with the first line of your post. I made a post about sentiments which began: "I think this sentiment is unfair(not to the party but to the people that get assistance)" You are trying to brand me with a political position that I did not take. You are trying to re-inject the Democratic party after I have already stated that I have no objections to the characterization of the party. A cartoon such as this has more than one message. You wish to argue about the ideological and political message but I have no interest in doing so.

I disagree about the ambiguity of my post. I think PKM perfectly understood what I meant when I said "don't know how to play the capitalist game". I'm certain that there are people that he values, that he does not think are lazy, that have neither business nor financial aptitude, that make financial decision he finds to be frustrating, and they struggle because of it.

Are you equating broken culture/community with laziness?
 
♪alt13 said:
It was supposed to be. That's the point.



You're proving my point about the difficulty to have a conversation such as this with the first line of your post. I made a post about sentiments which began: "I think this sentiment is unfair(not to the party but to the people that get assistance)" You are trying to brand me with a political position that I did not take. You are trying to re-inject the Democratic party after I have already stated that I have no objections to the characterization of the party. A cartoon such as this has more than one message. You wish to argue about the ideological and political message but I have no interest in doing so.

I disagree about the ambiguity of my post. I think PKM perfectly understood what I meant when I said "don't know how to play the capitalist game". I'm certain that there are people that he values, that he does not think are lazy, that have neither business nor financial aptitude, that make financial decision he finds to be frustrating, and they struggle because of it.

Are you equating broken culture/community with laziness?
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I couldn't care less about your personal political position. I am arguing the ideological and political message. If your interests here don't extend beyond discussing the prevalence of laziness, then you're right. We don't have much to discuss.
 
When I looked at the cartoon, the message I got was that republicans do all the work and democrats just sit around and mooch off the hard work of the republicans.

Which I kind of take to mean the rich work hard and the poor don't, yet the poor get all the benefit of the hard work that the rich put in
 
Siro said:
I couldn't care less about your personal political position. I am arguing the ideological and political message. If your interests here don't extend beyond discussing the prevalence of laziness, then you're right. We don't have much to discuss.
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My interest is not in the prevalence of laziness, they are as I stated, the sentiment that poor people or those that receive assistance are lazy.
 
fishonjazz said:
When I looked at the cartoon, the message I got was that republicans do all the work and democrats just sit around and mooch off the hard work of the republicans.

Which I kind of take to mean the rich work hard and the poor don't, yet the poor get all the benefit of the hard work that the rich put in
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Do you agree with the cartoon? Do you think that's the way things are?
 
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