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framer said:
The actual Cherokee nation says its disingenuous, for starters:

"A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America," Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. said. "Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage."​

http://cherokee.org/News/Stories/20181015_Cherokee-Nation-responds-to-Senator-Warrens-DNA-test

Waiting on a moron to whitesplain to the Cherokee Nation why they should not be offended by what Elizabeth Warren has done. . .
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At the risk of Whitesplaining something, Warren isn't laying claim to tribal heritage or membership.

 
Archie Moses said:
All I'm saying is she's told people, including Harvard, she's Native American and that seems a bit questionable.

What's so hard to understand about that?
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I really want to see that she has been the one running around making a big deal out of her Native American ancestry. Not that she has mentioned it or whatever, or that she believed her mother when she was told they had Native American Ancestry, but that she went around acting like she had a strong connection to Native American culture and heritage. In this entire thread I haven't really seen anything indicating that she has been out and about touting her Native American roots.

If Trump hadn't been calling her Pocahontas I never would have heard anything about this and might not even know who she was.
 
Zombie said:
At the risk of Whitesplaining something, Warren isn't laying claim to tribal heritage or membership.

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Except that the representatives of the Cherokee Nation think otherwise. Tell them they are wrong for being offended. Go ahead, I'll wait. . .
 
One Brow said:
Once again, we find our middle-of-the-road, just-looking-for-information poster parroting right-wing talking points.
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I like the part where you make it seem like "looking for information" is a bad thing on a discussion forum. Or that being "middle of the road" is bad too. If she was a conservative, liberals would lose their **** and guess what? I'd say the same thing about the Republican.

A book sponsored by the Cherokee tribe and with contributions issued on requests of Cherokees.

Don't try to use terms you think arebuzzwords. You're really bad at it.
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Smh... "A book sponsored by Cherokees at the the requist of Cherokees."

Actually, hold up, numb numb. The Cherokees err... "Cherokee" you speak of is Mrs. James P. Rowsey. Who happens to be Elizabeth’s first cousin and... and... wait... wait... (it gets better) shares the same grandparents in question as Warren's heritage.

In other words, there's nothing like having a 1/512 Cherokee ask her family member who's also 1/512 Cherokee to write a recipe book for Cherokees. Then the 99% white Cherokee lady goes on and steals 3/5 of the recipes from the NYTs and actually names the book Pow Wow Chow. "Sounds like a solid pick and great way of representing Cherokees." -Said white liberals

But there's no cultural appropriation. Lol. You can't make this **** up.

“How white is your college that when you get called out for being too white, your response is, “Nuh-uh! We’ve got her! Yo Elizabeth, show these white folks what it is,’”
-Trevor Noah parroting "right wing" talking points.

Btw, you're terrible at pinning me and your assumptions are beyond poor. I'd give you like a 4.7 out of 10. Chin up though, chap. That's just an F.


P.S. thank you for answering what whitesplaing is when I questioned what it was (I'm learning these things, dude. It's a process lol) then go on to tell me, in the most holier than though tone, I'm bad at buzzwords while you airball your point... hard.



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framer said:
Except that the representatives of the Cherokee Nation think otherwise. Tell them they are wrong for being offended. Go ahead, I'll wait. . .
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Lol I didn't say they were wrong for being offended. I'm just pointing out what Warren said.
 
Zombie said:
At the risk of Whitesplaining something, Warren isn't laying claim to tribal heritage or membership.

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She won't list herself as that in the Senate cause she's been exposed. She had no problem listing herself that in the past. Do you refute this?
 
framer said:
Except that the representatives of the Cherokee Nation think otherwise. Tell them they are wrong for being offended. Go ahead, I'll wait. . .
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What I saw in Warren's tweet looked a lot like what I saw of your quote from the Cherokee organization. Perhaps you could explain to this white man what you think the difference is, and why it would be offensive.
 
How did Harvard or anyone else latch onto the idea that she was a minority in the first place? My work knows exactly nothing of my heritage, other than the fact that I am a white male. If she didn't bring it up at some point, who did? She does not have any outward appearance of native american ancestry. How did this even become a thing if she never mentioned it to anyone? And why would she mention having native american heritage at all when one ancestor that far back was native american, which makes me more hebrew than she is native american (a great great something grandmother was a jew, a few steps before Warren's native ancestor, so a larger proportion for me than for her). But I never submitted a recipe for a jewish cookbook or claimed to be jewish at all. So how did it get out, and why?
 
Archie Moses said:
I like the part where you make it seem like "looking for information" is a bad thing on a discussion forum. Or that being "middle of the road" is bad too.
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I find the pretense a bad thing. When you start posting the really stupid stuff that liberals sources say, I'll be more likely to believe the mask you claim.

Archie Moses said:
Smh... "A book sponsored by Cherokees at the the requist [spelling error inserted by Archie Moses] of Cherokees."

Actually, hold up, numb numb. The Cherokees err... "Cherokee" you speak of is Mrs. James P. Rowsey.
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Actually, the collector of the recipes was the Five Civilized Tribes Museum (http://www.fivetribes.org/). It's listed on the Amazon page for the book. Guess which tribe is one of the five?

Thank you for crowing so much over my supposed error, only to be mistaken about it. I chuckled, and since other posters have accused me of having no sense of humor in the past, that's no mean feat.

Archie Moses said:
Btw, you're terrible at pinning me and your assumptions are beyond poor. I'd give you like a 4.7 out of 10. Chin up though, chap. That's just an F.
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So you say. Yet, again and again, your posts are those of a person who's a conservative but not willing to be upfront about it. It's almost as if you refuse to read websites that have a more liberal bias, like Vox (in case you have forgotten, that's exactly what you said when I posted a link to it).
 
LogGrad98 said:
How did Harvard or anyone else latch onto the idea that she was a minority in the first place?
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She mentioned it after she was hired, and according to her, was looking for people with similar memories to share them with.
 
framer said:
The actual Cherokee nation says its disingenuous, for starters:
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Well, there we go then, that's what I was waiting for. If the Cherokee say she's not a Cherokee, then she's not. She's clearly something, so maybe this will spur her to do some actual old-fashioned genealogy. The kind that can get you a tribal membership. I'm actually surprised in all this hullabaloo that no one has traced her ancestry.
 
One Brow said:
What I saw in Warren's tweet looked a lot like what I saw of your quote from the Cherokee organization. Perhaps you could explain to this white man what you think the difference is, and why it would be offensive.
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Warren obviously claimed to be Native American both in the past and right freaking today. She press released it, and the news stations ran it unquestioningly to "dunk on Trump" as did people on this site. The Cherokee nation calls you out and you are telling them they cannot be offended. Why are you diminishing their experience? Are you saying that they are wrong to be offended?
 
One Brow said:
She mentioned it after she was hired, and according to her, was looking for people with similar memories to share them with.
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It has become relatively obvious that Warren has lied about her experiences claiming to be Native American, a lot. Did she tell you about how her parents were forced to elope because of her mother's obvious Cherokee background?
 
One Brow said:
I find the pretense a bad thing. When you start posting the really stupid stuff that liberals sources say, I'll be more likely to believe the mask you claim.



Actually, the collector of the recipes was the Five Civilized Tribes Museum (http://www.fivetribes.org/). It's listed on the Amazon page for the book. Guess which tribe is one of the five?

Thank you for crowing so much over my supposed error, only to be mistaken about it. I chuckled, and since other posters have accused me of having no sense of humor in the past, that's no mean feat.



So you say. Yet, again and again, your posts are those of a person who's a conservative but not willing to be upfront about it. It's almost as if you refuse to read websites that have a more liberal bias, like Vox (in case you have forgotten, that's exactly what you said when I posted a link to it).
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https://elizabethwarrenwiki.org/pow-wow-chow-cookbook/
 
JimLes said:
Well, there we go then, that's what I was waiting for. If the Cherokee say she's not a Cherokee, then she's not. She's clearly something, so maybe this will spur her to do some actual old-fashioned genealogy. The kind that can get you a tribal membership. I'm actually surprised in all this hullabaloo that no one has traced her ancestry.
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She's not "clearly" something. That percentage is probably below the average "American Indian" status of people on this site. 1/1000 is just statistical noise. 23andMe isn't exact science as the Cherokee representative just called out. They extrapolate "American Indian" based on South American sampling. My wife's Grandmother was Mexican Indian. That does not make my children 1/16 Cherokee.
 
framer said:
She's not "clearly" something. That percentage is probably below the average "American Indian" status of people on this site. 1/1000 is just statistical noise. 23andMe isn't exact science as the Cherokee representative just called out. They extrapolate "American Indian" based on South American sampling. My wife's Grandmother was Mexican Indian. That does not make my children 1/16 Cherokee.
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It doesn't make her Cherokee, but it does mean she has Native American ancestry. Or as you said, Aboriginal in general, but seeing as she seems to have no recent ancestry from South America, it's very unlikely it would be because of that. She has NA ancestry. She did not make that up.
 
LogGrad98 said:
How did Harvard or anyone else latch onto the idea that she was a minority in the first place? My work knows exactly nothing of my heritage, other than the fact that I am a white male. If she didn't bring it up at some point, who did? She does not have any outward appearance of native american ancestry. How did this even become a thing if she never mentioned it to anyone? And why would she mention having native american heritage at all when one ancestor that far back was native american, which makes me more hebrew than she is native american (a great great something grandmother was a jew, a few steps before Warren's native ancestor, so a larger proportion for me than for her). But I never submitted a recipe for a jewish cookbook or claimed to be jewish at all. So how did it get out, and why?
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It's because she did. People who are arguing otherwise are naive imo.
 
One Brow said:
She mentioned it after she was hired, and according to her, was looking for people with similar memories to share them with.
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I'm curious what kinds of memories one would have from a single 5X+ removed great-ancestor. Nothing I have read makes it sound like she lived in any way connected to the NA community, including directly from that community.
 
LogGrad98 said:
How did Harvard or anyone else latch onto the idea that she was a minority in the first place? My work knows exactly nothing of my heritage, other than the fact that I am a white male. If she didn't bring it up at some point, who did? She does not have any outward appearance of native american ancestry. How did this even become a thing if she never mentioned it to anyone? And why would she mention having native american heritage at all when one ancestor that far back was native american, which makes me more hebrew than she is native american (a great great something grandmother was a jew, a few steps before Warren's native ancestor, so a larger proportion for me than for her). But I never submitted a recipe for a jewish cookbook or claimed to be jewish at all. So how did it get out, and why?
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Her ****ing mom told her she had native American ancestry and she believed her ****ing mom.

Does it make sense to you yet? Or should I bust out the ****ing crayons?
 
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