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This made me kinda sad today...

NPC D4617 said:
I do not find Nathan Phillips to be genuine. His interview does match up with what the video shows. His exact word were "this young man put himself in front of me". That is a complete lie, and its an important lie because it changes how people view things. Niether CNN, Washington Post, or any other leftist media corrects this. He also claimed he was scared? How does that make any sense? He was the one who put himself in that situation. He is the one who was looking for the stare down. He is the one who got right up into the kids face banging a drum. That is not a scared man. That is an instigator looking for trouble. Secondly, not one of these kids did anything to make him feel scared. They didnt say anything hateful. They didnt touch him. There werent chants of build that wall. They smiled and danced to his song. His whole CNN interview was complete BS.
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I think it's entirely possible Phillips was seeing what he wanted, or expected to see, and as a long time activist for Native rights and issues, he was seeing things through the eyes of someone aware of centuries of oppression of his own people. For instance, to illustrate my point, in one interview, he stated that he could have walked around Sandmann, and continued walking up the steps of the Lincoln memorial, but he was of the mind that he should not have had to do that. He seemed to equate the fact that Sandmann stood in his way as symbolic of centuries of disrespect for his people. He expected that Sandmann should stand aside, and when that did not happen, we had the stare down that comprised the short clip that ignited the social media firestorm.

Now, he indicated that the song he was chanting was one that was "designed" to create a more calming atmosphere, and defuse volitile situations. I do think it was unrealistic to expect white students with no comprehension of that fact, seeing him and his fellow Native activists approaching them in that fashion, would really have no idea whatsoever what he was doing. It's almost as if, and I do believe this, that he thought his chanting and drumming would have some "magical" effect and create a calmer atmosphere. I think, if that is what he felt that traditional chant would effect, that it was silly of him to think the students would understand that at all.

As far as his claim of fear, he stated the students transferred their hatred directed at the Black Israelites, to him. That he felt they were actually on the verge of tearing him apart. Well, I don't see him as a bad man. I see him as seeing the greater world of American society and history as aligned against his people. But, in this instance, this can easily lead to him imprinting upon the students that knowledge of centuries of repression. And that is a form of blindness in the moment. He was seeing what he had conditioned himself to expect. Which will not lead to clarity in the moment. It will lead to misinterpretation on his part. He may have well experienced fear at what he had gotten himself into, but, yes, part of that was of his own doing.

To some degree, this tendency to make assumptions that can be overlayed on unfolding events, or overlayed on those whom we perceive to be antithetical to our own views, is infecting our society and upholding the hyper partisanship that besets our society at this time. I'm a good guy. A good man. Not at all some evil ogre. Yet, here we have one poster saying I am responsible for the starvation and deaths of countless people. He is an extreme case, but, to some degree, this demonizing of the opposition is why we are at such an impasse in general.
 
Red said:
Yes, every morning when I open my eyes and discover I still live and breathe, I ask myself how many millions of people will suffer and die today because I exist? May God have mercy on my soul....
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i did not say because you exist.
but historically and in the present your views lead to misery starvation and DEATH on massive scale.

from the gullags and starvation in sovjet russia, to the massive missery throughout europe because of national socialism. to even today what is happening in north korea and venezuela right now. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-46945690

your views lead to all that. IT IS A FACT!
 
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Red said:
I think it's entirely possible Phillips was seeing what he wanted,
blah blah blah blah hur der der der reeee blah reee derp
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phillips is a coaward scumbag. he saw kids being bullied by filthy scumbag racist. so he walks up to the white boys and gets into their face!

why not walk up to the black men get into their face for being racist homophobic and all. ooh wait that takes courage and strenght

mr philips is a scumbag liar who will say anything for his 15 minutes of fame

his injun name is running bear ****. he earned that name for spewing bull**** and being a coward
 
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DutchJazzer said:
phillips is a coaward scumbag. he saw kids being bullied by filthy scumbag racist. so he walks up to the white boys and gets into their face!

why not walk up to the black men get into their face for being racist homophobic and all. ooh wait that takes courage and strenght

mr philips is a scumbag liar who will say anything for his 15 minutes of fame

his injun name is running bear ****. he earned that name for spewing bull**** and being a coward
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I don't think Phillip's is all there.
 
also this shows the blatant racism of the media

white kids get put through hell for "smirking".

and those black ****tard ****erlites. who are clearly homophobic, racist and utter scumbags. get a free pass.

gee wish i had some of that black privilege those guys have, to get away with all that while a few yards away white kids get crucified for smirking and just having a pro live rally

the hypocrisy is astonishing. anybody who thinks the left and the lame stream media aint racist is either blind/deaf or just plain stupid. any of the leftist who called for doxing of these kids, and their parents to lose jobs and all the harassment and bullying they receive! should want these clearly racist homophobic black men, to be doxed fired harassed and given death threats right? equality for all. if a teenage white boy gets that treatment, why not the grown black men!

those men not getting the same treatment from those blue check marked twitter profiles shows their clear racism! and anybody who is ok with this is EVIL
 
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One Brow said:
Equality for white Christian males would represent a drop in comparative status, which is why it feels to you that the left does not support them.
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Does white privilege stay static across the board for every white male? Is there a scale as to how much white privilege each white person has or is it just the same for everyone, regardless of circumstances?
 
so why isnt anyone jumping on the men who screamed homophobic and racist slurs

why are they not getting doxed

why are there no calls for them getting fired

wtf? this hypocrisy is beyond AMAZING
 
NPC D4617 said:
Does white privilege stay static across the board for every white male? Is there a scale as to how much white privilege each white person has or is it just the same for everyone, regardless of circumstances?
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In what way do you belive white christians have been harmed?

I'm a white male, but I'm an atheist, so I'm good, I just make sure everyone knows I'm an atheist so I get preferential treatment... o_O
 
NPC D4617 said:
Since when is it news that two people stood face to face?
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But you know the answer to that question. One person is a white youth, wearing a MAGA hat. The other person is a person of color. And the video shows that face off, and only that face off. It's an edited glimpse of a greater context unknown at the time the video went viral. It's precisely because we are where we are in America today, including members of the media, that it becomes easy to see what we come to believe we do in fact see in that particular edited snippet of time. Our own preconceptions carry the day. Viral videos are a trap, in other words.

From the essay I posted from The Atlantic:

"That short clip shows a young man with a smirk, wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat, appearing to stare down a Native elder: Simply
describing the scene, at this political and cultural moment, suggests a racist threat.

That’s not just because the internet makes it easy to come to simple and quick conclusions, and to spread those answers as truth before verification. It’s also because such an edit almost seems purpose-built to service that conclusion. It juxtaposes an almost perfect avatar for apparent white nationalism, maga hat and all, with the apparent cultural frailty of a brown-skinned victim carrying out an act of indigenous humility. Whether Sandmann and Phillips are telling the truth or not matters only marginally—the image and the clip take on a life of their own, reproducing a conflict that viewers have already been primed to seek out by the overall political situation and their place in it."
 
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Bulletproof said:
In what way do you belive white christians have been harmed?

I'm a white male, but I'm an atheist, so I'm good, I just make sure everyone knows I'm an atheist so I get preferential treatment... o_O
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Thats not my question. Im genuinely curious as to what he has to say about it.

Im not a Christian either
 
DutchJazzer said:
phillips is a coaward scumbag. he saw kids being bullied by filthy scumbag racist. so he walks up to the white boys and gets into their face!

why not walk up to the black men get into their face for being racist homophobic and all. ooh wait that takes courage and strenght

mr philips is a scumbag liar who will say anything for his 15 minutes of fame

his injun name is running bear ****. he earned that name for spewing bull**** and being a coward
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Get a ****ing grip.
 
DutchJazzer said:
so why isnt anyone jumping on the men who screamed homophobic and racist slurs

why are they not getting doxed

why are there no calls for them getting fired

wtf? this hypocrisy is beyond AMAZING
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This is a fair question which White America is too scared to pose or truly address for a multitude of reasons.
 
NPC D4617 said:
Does white privilege stay static across the board for every white male? Is there a scale as to how much white privilege each white person has or is it just the same for everyone, regardless of circumstances?
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Privilege as a whole has a bunch of factors going into it, otherwise they wouldn't bother to specify with white/male/wealthy/etc. So no, white privilege wouldn't change between individuals.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
This is a fair question which White America is too scared to pose for a multitude of reasons.
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The answer to this is fairly obvious, it's the same reason you don't see a similar call to do the same to groups like the Westboro Baptists, they're known wackos, who are apparently quite proud of their behavior just like these black israelite street preachers.
 
Zombie said:
The answer to this is fairly obvious, it's the same reason you don't see a similar call to do the same to groups like the Westboro Baptists, they're known wackos, who are apparently quite proud of their behavior just like these black israelite street preachers.
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Fair enough.

But we also see sweeping generalizations of ____________ Whites by other, less-nuts, minority groups as well.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
This is a fair question which White America is too scared to pose or truly address for a multitude of reasons.
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You know exactly what reason!

RACISM!

the "wrong" race commits a face crime. is not allowed to smirk and stand tall!
the other group can be vile useless because the belong to the "right" race.

well thats good news sinc ei look like an arab whenever i go to america i can be racist and bigoted and homophobic to you white boy!
 
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