This made me kinda sad today...

[Hotdog]

It's what NPC calls the anti-Trump crowd. That's why I put it in quotes. In reality, the term is relative to where the mainstream lies (the center). With ever changing definitions of what is and isn't left/right. For me, right is the philosophical focus on order, while the left is about equality.

When I say leftist, liberal, Democrat, etc... I am generalizing. I know that. I wish I didnt have to. I know that each individual has set of different beliefs, and there are different combinations on the spectrum. If there were a word I knew of that would describe the people who blindy follow the main stream media on the left, and the people who are pushing for this crazy notion of everyone who isnt with us is racist narrative, I would use that. Along with a few other things I think they are about right now.

Im not criticizing every belief the "left" has either. I hold some of these same beliefs. My political spectrum is very mixed. Not too long ago I was very critical of the right. I did not like George Bush. I did not like Fox news. I felt like they were doing a lot if what the left is doing today, except I think the left is much worse now. Its like I cant even recognize who what that political ideology is anymore. I dont see people standing for what is right. I see violence and hate disguised as goodness.


About this statement

"For me, right is the philosophical focus on order, while the left is about equality."

I have a few issues with that. Does equality not come from some kind of order? Isnt that what the left is trying to do now? They seem to be putting a lot of pressure on social order in the name of equality. Also, there seems to be some "equality" missing from the left. They want equality for everyone but white Christian males. You dont get to choose who is out of the circle. Regardless of what their ancestors or even parents have done. This thread is a prime example of there not being equality. The media did not apply equality to these young white kids. They did the exact opposite. They tried to tear them down and destroy them for no good reason. Just because they were white. You cant deny that it just happened either. Those are facts.

 

[Hotdog]

You’re right, The ever changing definitions of left/right is confusing. It seems like Donald could today declare himself pro union, pro single payer health care system, and pro progressive tax and anyone who disagrees with him would be labeled a leftist. It’s such a weird dichotomy to move ideological identification from actual beliefs to allegiance to a man and whatever he farts out everyday.

Maybe you are confused because when anyone challenges your beliefs you put them on ignore.

 

[DutchJazzer]

So actually, turns out this is more fake news.

The other side of the story is these kids were approached by Nathan Phillips(the native American man). Someone in Nathan's group was chanting at the kids "go back to Europe" who were gathered for the March of Life. The kids were standing there waiting for their bus. The kids did not approach this man. He approached them, banging his drum and got right up into the face of the kid. It wasnt just a few feet either. He deliberately made his way over to them. I saw a second hand video of this happening. CNN even corroborates this, but still sells the lies. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/01/19/us/teens-mock-native-elder-trnd/index.html

I cant post the full video I watched because of some language in it. The black men "preaching the bible" is who the kids were arguing with. The black men were standing there yelling derogatory terms for gay people(thats 100% true as well). So then Nathan Phillips decides to approach these kids with his song to supposedly defuse the situation. Instead you can actually hear someone yell go back to Europe to the kids. I didn't even hear the "build the wall" chants. Although Im not dening it could have happened. Its entirely possible it was in response to the go back to Europe chants.

So these kids are pretty much get taunted and harrassed by this man, the one kid stand his ground. Others dance to his music, and then they are made out to be the bad guys here? Whats the proper action here? Run, move, bow?


But see, this is the kind of **** that is pissing people off. You guys really will defend this kind of journalism? What a joke. The BS narrative continues. The leftist media has no shame and no honor. Totally willing to just lie and sell fake news. Why not tell the full story? Why only tell it from an agle that makes these kids look bad? No conscience at all. They dont care if they ruin this young mans life or not. Totally reckless imo.

You cant say this is fair reporting. They clearly sell it a certain way. Hook line and sinker. I even fell for this dumb as ****. I should have known better. I did actually. Its why I decided to dig further.

sounds like what my forefathers went through in europe they where vilinized for being jews. having this magcial jew privilige! so it is ok to take their bank acount. their parent sjob and everything

**** the left wing punks who stand for this

 

[DutchJazzer]

Would recommend people read this thread. It's from the older brother of the smiling kid.

It's sad how people react to things like that. Even if those kids did everything they were said to do (and video proof shows they obviously didn't), how people responded to this family is wrong.

We, all of us, need to be better.

this does not suprise me one bit. this same attitude caused holocaust.
racism against the jews. anger at a religion (judaism) and jews having jew privilige! and jews being capitalist


national socialist who are now global socialist have replaced Jews with whites, Judaism with Christianity and jew privilege with white privilege,. of course capitalist being capitalist!


these global socialist disgust me just like their filthy predecessors called national ****ing filthy socialist!

 

[DutchJazzer]

First, I feel I made a mistake in both judgement and interpretation where this event was concerned. Here is CNN's updated account of what happened. It sounds like an accurate account, now that I've seen a lot more then just the under 4 minute clip that started the whole wave of outrage:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/maga-hat-teens-native-american-second-video/index.html

Second, I've either listened to or read about 5 interviews of Nathan Phillips. In the interview in the immediate aftermath, I found his raw emotion to be sincere. I don't think he was lying at all. He claimed to be scared. Was his fear justified based on the reactions of the students to his presence? I'm not in his skin, but I thought he gave his honest impression. As he walked forward, the kids parted a bit, until Phillips encountered Nick Sandmann, who simply stood his ground smiling.

Here is the complete statement by Nick Sandmann. It's worth a read. I find it impressive. I find it credible, believable, sincere. And that causes some self reflection on my part. Sandman states his smile was really just to disarm Phillips, to show him he had no intention of escalating a potential ugly encounter. Yet in the short clip that launched the outrage, I saw that smile as smug arrogance. So maybe it's me, seeing what I want to see. What I saw as smug arrogance could instead be seen as a calm, disarming smile:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/20/us/covington-kentucky-student-statement/index.html

So what did I see? A bunch of MAGA hatters harassing a Native American elder. Looking at the kids again, in that short clip, some might have actually been getting into the chanting. Some might have been caught up by the chanting. Not so hard. I've been to many powwows, I enjoy the chanting and dancing. Some of the kids may have been laughing at and mocking Nathan Phillips. That could very well be, and likely was, the case. But they're kids, and I've already made mistakes. No harm was done. I believe Phillips emotions were genuine, but these kids were exposed to insults and taunts from the black Israelites. Maybe the kids should have walked away then and there. But they didn't, they responded to the black Israelites, who, btw, were verbally assaulting the indigenous group, as well as the students.

The lesson for me. I saw what I wanted to see. Or, maybe to cut myself more slack, I saw what fulfilled my expectations. I expected a group of MAGA hatters to harass minorities. So that's what I saw.

I don't know to what degree the media is at fault here. They went with that short clip. But, they did take a deeper look, and revised their analysis. They acted to correct the record.

I think, in part, the incident exposed what hyper partisanship can do. I don't want to make more mistakes in judgement and interpretation, as I feel I did here. I've got to be more careful. I will never renounce my opposition to everything Trump stands for, but I've got to let what happened here be a lesson for me.

Edit: some might find this Washington Post article illuminating:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...78f092-1ceb-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html

there is hope for you yet,.. even though i think you are a filthy global socialist. you are beginning to see the light! i respect you manning up and apologize. i still think in general your views are downright evil and lead to mass death and starvation

unlike that filthy ****ing global socialist thriller!

 

[DutchJazzer]

Of the three "members of the global socialist movement formerly called the national socialist movement" I see posting, two have admitted they were mistaken. One doesn't really care and is more invested in the narrative. But, to Hack's credit, he actually was on the first page assuming this was true and not condoning it to begin with before changing realizing it was much ado about nothing.

fixed it

and ooh yeah the black ****rtard ****erlites should stop appropriating my culture and bugger the **** off!

naah just kidding those tards can do whatever the **** they want! as any of you know they make a mockery out of judaism

 

[DutchJazzer]

Yeah I don’t agree with that.

I think the added context of the African American protest group and the inflammatory rhetoric they used sheds new light on this issue. Calling those students racist slurs and claiming that they’d harvest the one black student’s organs is inexcusable. If anything, those people were the ones who instigated it and deserve the most criticism now that more information has been added.

I do think this opens the door for an interesting discussion:

1. What is an all boys school doing at a pro life rally? Do we seriously not see the irony here?

2. What role do MAGA hats have in provoking reaction? I know of many people who consider them to be the new hood. You don’t wear that around DC without expecting a fight. What role did the students chanting and ripping off their shirts doing the HAKA have in this?

3. Where were the adults? This whole dispute didn’t just suddenly occur. It went on for minutes and minutes. Where were the chaperones? You’re going to let students from your school tear off clothes and do the Haka in front of the Lincoln memorial while exchanging racist rhetoric with African Americans and Native American Indians?

I admittedly have more empathy for smirking student kid and less for the adult chaperones now that I’ve seen the other videos. He was in a large group and when the Native American came up to him he saw it as a challenge and when surrounded by his peers he acted like most young men will act. But had adults been there this whole incident could’ve been descalated.

this libtard got me on ignore, aka his digital concentration/re= education camp

but still will explain it
1. since you see everything from identity politics, i will put it in that they have every right to because half the people being murdered by abortion clinics are male! so males have every right to protest/rally/fight for other males!
(just ot sow you how retarded you are when it comes to identity politcis. acording to your world logic. no white person should have been allowed to fight for the end of slavery, the end of jim crowe laws.) becuase they where not black!
see how ****ing stupid your identity politics logic is.
you might disagree that a fetus is a live. that is our disagreement. you think it is a lump of cels and can be terminated. we think it is a lvie and doing so is MURDER and murder is wrong. just like slavery was wrong, jim crowe laws where wrong. so no matter sex race or otherr identity poltiics category we have every right to fight/rally/protest
SO ****OFF!

2. ok lets stop people from wearing maga hats. but then we got to be fair. no more Hope and or change shirts. no more i'm with her shirts. no more JEB lawn yards. we gotta be fair. if we ban 1 campaign slogan/logo marketing **** we gotta ban em ALL!

3. lawlz when i was 16 years old i took my lil motorcycle and went everywhere. those where the days no helicopter parents. i did some ****ed up ****. litterally break the law and such. i was jsut an average teenger. but what this tteenager did is a big nothing burger


there you have it answer to your 3 questions!

 

[Gameface]

Honestly, hearing an interview with Nathan Phillips on NPR this morning I don't even really consider him sincere.

The interviewer was awesome and completely respectful, but asked a number of questions that ultimately got Phillips to say that he assumed when he saw a large group of white MAGA hat wearing teens in a confrontation with 4 black men that the black men were the victims and he needed to "do something." I honestly think he had every intention of creating the kind of situation we were initially presented with. That's my gut feeling after listening to 4 different interviews with Phillips. The NPR interview sussed out a few key details from his story that none of the others did. The interviewer was exceptionally skillful.

I'm glad that the entire story came out relatively quickly. Unfortunately not quickly enough that the narrative of snotty little arrogant MAGA hat wearing teen disrespected a Native American Vietnam vet for the fun of it, that story is still spreading. But this is an example of how truth is supposed to work. We saw an incomplete picture and made reasonable conclusions based on that. Then we got a more complete picture and changed our conclusions based on that. The "fake news" showed that they are not fake, and that they present the information they have, albeit from their biased perspective, but they do not hide from truth.

If the alternate reality crowd could learn a lesson here then this would all have been well worth it.

 

[JazzGal]

Someone had asked my opinion on this the first day and I avoided the question. I have a friend who won't comment on news stories for a couple of days because he likes to make sure he's heard all sides. Not a bad policy to adopt. I felt like there was more to the story than initially presented. All could have handled it better, but it ultimately shouldn't have been much of a story.

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[Hotdog]

Honestly, hearing an interview with Nathan Phillips on NPR this morning I don't even really consider him sincere.

The interviewer was awesome and completely respectful, but asked a number of questions that ultimately got Phillips to say that he assumed when he saw a large group of white MAGA hat wearing teens in a confrontation with 4 black men that the black men were the victims and he needed to "do something." I honestly think he had every intention of creating the kind of situation we were initially presented with. That's my gut feeling after listening to 4 different interviews with Phillips. The NPR interview sussed out a few key details from his story that none of the others did. The interviewer was exceptionally skillful.

I'm glad that the entire story came out relatively quickly. Unfortunately not quickly enough that the narrative of snotty little arrogant MAGA hat wearing teen disrespected a Native American Vietnam vet for the fun of it, that story is still spreading. But this is an example of how truth is supposed to work. We saw an incomplete picture and made reasonable conclusions based on that. Then we got a more complete picture and changed our conclusions based on that. The "fake news" showed that they are not fake, and that they present the information they have, albeit from their biased perspective, but they do not hide from truth.

If the alternate reality crowd could learn a lesson here then this would all have been well worth it.

Well that was refreshing to hear. At least some of it.

What news sites, particularly of the left have corrected the story fully? They backed up a bit, but not enough imo. Red linked the Washington Post article this morning and they said nothing or showed nothing where the Nathan Phillips actually approached the kid. Nor I have I seen anyone in the media on the left address the inconsistencies in Nathan's interviews. Did NPR talk about that? I haven't heard their side. But what about the rest? If you read the comments on Washington Post its very clear they did nothing defuse or set the record straight. The readers clearly see it the same way. So I cant give the media credit for slightly backing this thing up. Maybe I missing something. Are there some links you could share that tell the full story, that show what you now can see, that Nathan Phillips wasnt being forthright? All I have seen is they added the element of the Hebrew Israelites or whatever they call themselves. Everyone seems to skim right over the part where Nathan was actually the instigator, by both his actions and his words in his interviews. Why does he need to be protected? A lie is a lie.

 

[Hotdog]

Honestly, hearing an interview with Nathan Phillips on NPR this morning I don't even really consider him sincere.

The interviewer was awesome and completely respectful, but asked a number of questions that ultimately got Phillips to say that he assumed when he saw a large group of white MAGA hat wearing teens in a confrontation with 4 black men that the black men were the victims and he needed to "do something." I honestly think he had every intention of creating the kind of situation we were initially presented with. That's my gut feeling after listening to 4 different interviews with Phillips. The NPR interview sussed out a few key details from his story that none of the others did. The interviewer was exceptionally skillful.

I'm glad that the entire story came out relatively quickly. Unfortunately not quickly enough that the narrative of snotty little arrogant MAGA hat wearing teen disrespected a Native American Vietnam vet for the fun of it, that story is still spreading. But this is an example of how truth is supposed to work. We saw an incomplete picture and made reasonable conclusions based on that. Then we got a more complete picture and changed our conclusions based on that. The "fake news" showed that they are not fake, and that they present the information they have, albeit from their biased perspective, but they do not hide from truth.

If the alternate reality crowd could learn a lesson here then this would all have been well worth it.

The other problem I have with this is that it could very well be proof that the media doesnt get it right often, is fake, and is very biased.

What if the other video footage never surfaced? What then? They would still be calling for this kid's head. All for what? An image of the two standing face to face? How does that equal the kid was doing something wrong? Can you not see a clear bias here? With just that first image, there was no evidence that proves one way or the other, yet it was immediately made out be that the kid in the maga hat was automatically guilty. That just proves there is a problem with a bias and willingness from the media to report with a slant regardless of who gets caught in the cross fire. They only changed their tune because they had to, because the camera doesnt lie.

Fake news doesnt have to mean that the entire story is fake. It can mean that only parts of the truth were shown or given in order to make things seem a certain way. A good propagandist can take any event and spin it to look a certain way. Its easy to take things out of context to sell a story. You know this is possible right?

 

[Gameface]

Well that was refreshing to hear. At least some of it.

What news sites, particularly of the left have corrected the story fully? They backed up a bit, but not enough imo. Red linked the Washington Post article this morning and they said nothing or showed nothing where the Nathan Phillips actually approached the kid. Nor I have I seen anyone in the media on the left address the inconsistencies in Nathan's interviews. Did NPR talk about that? I haven't heard their side. But what about the rest? If you read the comments on Washington Post its very clear they did nothing defuse or set the record straight. The readers clearly see it the same way. So I cant give the media credit for slightly backing this thing up. Maybe I missing something. Are there some links you could share that tell the full story, that show what you now can see, that Nathan Phillips wasnt being forthright? All I have seen is they added the element of the Hebrew Israelites or whatever they call themselves. Everyone seems to skim right over the part where Nathan was actually the instigator, by both his actions and his words in his interviews. Why does he need to be protected? A lie is a lie.

My take is based on listening to Phillips. He's playing innocent way too hard. The facts don't support the narrative he seems to be selling.