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David Locke’s theory is that the NBA has such amazing athletes and Neto just couldn’t keep up. He had to give it his all to be effective and ended up getting injured.

I went to the Stars game he played in. He quietly got a triple double. I’m a big Neto fan, but understand why the Jazz moved on.


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Locke has a very active imagination. John Stockton wasn't very big or an elite athlete, and missed only 54 games in 19 years.
 
How much did he get in Greece? I thought he had a good thing going in China — good money, short season, not many games, nobody plays any defense, etc. He could stay king over there and have his face carved next to Marbury on China’s Mt. Rushmore of basketball.
Don't know anything about Jimmer's contracts, but he's already 30 and it's too late for him to come back into the NBA... so, why Greece vs back to China?
1) he can still make money in China w/o being there - shoe deals and advertising - based on name recognition, not current playing status
2) prefer the family vacation in Greece vs China!!!
3) develop a new name recognition market for future shoe and advertising deals​
think he made the right decision, quit holding your breath that he'll every play another day in the NBA
 
quit holding your breath that he'll every play another day in the NBA
I know you quoted me, and the bulk of your post, up until this part, was specifically responding to me, but are you responding to someone else at this point?
 
I know you quoted me, and the bulk of your post, up until this part, was specifically responding to me, but are you responding to someone else at this point?
was still talking Fredette,in general, nothing about Trey in a trey thread... I don't really care about trey, neither burks or lyles...
 
was still talking Fredette,in general, nothing about Trey in a trey thread... I don't really care about trey, neither burks or lyles...
No, I mean about holding breath about him playing in the NBA. I didn't mention anything about Fredette in the NBA. Just China.
 
No, I mean about holding breath about him playing in the NBA. I didn't mention anything about Fredette in the NBA. Just China.
yeah, I know... I just threw that in... by bad, but I'll DM if it's for you specifically... ;)
 
Terms of the deal were undisclosed, but some speculation that he was on the high-end of Euroleague which would put him over a mil. He's had a great life, a life most of us would love to experience, and yet I know it stings that his NBA dreams are now I would think officially over.

Dreams are shattered everyday; most of them don't end up with the shatteree still making an income putting him/her into the 1%.

If Jimmer were sufficiently self-reflective, he could have/should have realized years ago that the NBA for him was no more than a pipe dream.
 
Dreams are shattered everyday; most of them don't end up with the shatteree still making an income putting him/her into the 1%.
If Jimmer were sufficiently self-reflective, he could have/should have realized years ago that the NBA for him was no more than a pipe dream.
:) so, you mean the Fredette pipe dream of $10M NBA career earnings? and the yuan and euro to boot...
play or not, I'd take that pipe dream :)
 
Dreams are shattered everyday; most of them don't end up with the shatteree still making an income putting him/her into the 1%.

If Jimmer were sufficiently self-reflective, he could have/should have realized years ago that the NBA for him was no more than a pipe dream.

Though I'm inclined to agree with your sentiment as I interpret it, I do feel as though, had Jimmer started out as a more team-oriented player, playing both ends of the court, his talent level was such that he definitely had a legitimate shot.
 
Sixers Twitter is irrationally exuberant about TB

Yeah the funny thing is their burying their guy Shake Milton who's on a cheap rookie deal in the process, which isn't a good bet I dont think.


What if Burke starts out cold? how much of a leash does he really have? we'll see.
 
John Stockton was an elite athlete

Depends on how you define "athletic" and how you define the word "elite"

When people say "athletic" they are often talking about explosiveness, speed, quickness, vertical, etc.

When people say "elite" is that top 5% NBA guard? Top 20%? Top 40%

So you compare him to Westbrook, Mitchell, Exum, Vince Carter, etc, etc, and you say "elite" is top 5% NBA guard, the answer is "no"


But the fact that there is more to athleticism than explosiveness, speed, quickness, vertical, I think may be your point and a good one.
 
Depends on how you define "athletic" and how you define the word "elite"

When people say "athletic" they are often talking about explosiveness, speed, quickness, vertical, etc.

When people say "elite" is that top 5% NBA guard? Top 20%? Top 40%

So you compare him to Westbrook, Mitchell, Exum, Vince Carter, etc, etc, and you say "elite" is top 5% NBA guard, the answer is "no"


But the fact that there is more to athleticism than explosiveness, speed, quickness, vertical, I think may be your point and a good one.
At his peak, John was fassst. He also changed speeds and direction really well. And the important part was that, at any direction or speed, he had incredible coordination (cf. one-hand, off-the-dribble passes, etc.)
 
When the game’s best athletes can’t stay in front of someone..... go ahead and called that someone “elite”.
 
At his peak, John was fassst. He also changed speeds and direction really well. And the important part was that, at any direction or speed, he had incredible coordination (cf. one-hand, off-the-dribble passes, etc.)

Yeah, that is my point. People generally don't bundle coordination and one-hand passes as part of athleticism. That is why you need to define the terms before you make the assessment.
 
When the game’s best athletes can’t stay in front of someone..... go ahead and called that someone “elite”.

Is that on court performance, or is that athleticism? Or are they the same thing?

Most people would say that Jeff Hornacek, even at end of his career, was amazing at staying in front of someone. And he was playing on one leg and no one would call him an elite athlete.

f you say performance and results are the same as athleticism, then the discussion can be awfully confusing.
 
Yeah, that is my point. People generally don't bundle coordination and one-hand passes as part of athleticism. That is why you need to define the terms before you make the assessment.
They should bundle teh **** outta them.
 
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