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Gabbard impressed me. I'm just attracted to military vets as political candidates and she really radiated that maturity and knowledge that I would want in a Commander-in-Chief, especially because she's so strongly non-interventionist.

My current choice, Warren, well, she's trying too hard to not get herself on tape saying that medicare for all is going to mean a tax increase. She 1000% will not admit what she obviously knows, which is that MFA will mean taxes go up. There's no two ways around that. I don't necessarily think it's that she's lying about that point, but she's trying to be savvy by not providing a soundbite of her saying she's going to raise taxes. So she's super savvy about that but then voluntarily makes a big deal about Trump's bet with her that she's not native American when she finds out she's 1/512th Native American? I get that she didn't have the same people around her then as she has now with a Presidential campaign, but... At least Sanders fully explains that while taxes WILL go up, for average people that will be offset by what they no longer pay in premiums and deductibles.

Harris... Yeah, so Trump has violated Twitter TOS? That's the hill she wants to die on?

I'm glad Yang was in the debate. I think he brings an important perspective and an important topic into it. I work with automation. Luckily, I fix automated systems, so my job prospects are going to be good for the rest of my working life. But I clearly see that the workers who operate automated systems will just be tasked with operating multiple systems as the systems improve. The number of people that will be needed in these automated factories is going to decline, and in about 5 years it's going to really start to hit hard. 10 years from now and it'll be a whole different reality. We're just in the learning stage of how to actually automate, so the gains we see now are just a fraction of what we'll see when the lessons we're learning are applied to automation generation 2 and generation 3. I think Yang is claiming we're in the 4th industrial revolution, and maybe he's right on that, but industrial revolution #4 is automation/industrial AI generation #1. Big changes are coming and laborers are going away. This is a very important conversation.

I like Pete, but I don't think this is Pete's time. Not just that he's young and is "only" a mayor. I just think he's not ready to be our President and he's absolutely (despite being a vet) not ready to be our Commander-in-Chief. I like him, though and I think he'll move on from being a mayor to do bigger things.

Klobachar was impressive and I hope she makes the next debate. I'd like to see and hear more from her.

Man, Biden... He did well. He hit his positives as hard as he could hit them. I know he's always been gaff-prone, but now it's not gaffs, it's losing his train of thought, not being able to find the word he's looking for, stumbling over details. His age is showing more than any of the other candidates.

Beto should drop out ASAP because I think he's hurting the eventual candidate a lot and he's hurting his future chances a lot. He's saying a bunch of stupid **** that he couldn't even ever do because of the U.S. Constitution. He isn't even addressing that fact at all.

A great contribution to the thread. Would rep if I could.
 
Yeah, I agree. It probably sounds arrogant on my part, but I was thinking it really is beneath me to reply to most of his comments.

its not arrogant. That’s what happen when the other side of a discussion is known for being disingenuous and a troll
 
Yeah, I agree. It probably sounds arrogant on my part, but I was thinking it really is beneath me to reply to most of his comments.

Mmmwwhhhaaaaa so beneath you.

Your ivory tower is so beautiful.

Mmmmmwwwwhhhhaaaaaa so beneath you.
 
I'm going through last night's Dem debate. Elizabeth Warren's ideas on unionizing corporations, double-taxing billionaires and large businesses, and the HCFA debate make her look so out of touch with reality, it's like she's throwing progressive ideas against the wall at random. She's not going to get out of the gate with this. Even the other Dems are calling her on it.

The most level-headed person on the stage last night appears to be Andrew Yang. Tulsi has a few lucid moments as well, even calling out CNN and NY Times who are hosting the debate.
 
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I'm going through last night's Dem debate. Elizabeth Warren's ideas on unionizing corporations, double-taxing billionaires and large businesses, and the HCFA debate make her look so out of touch with reality, it's like she's throwing progressive ideas against the wall at random. She's not going to get out of the gate with this. Even the other Dems are calling her on it.

The most level-headed person on the stage last night appears to be Andrew Yang. Tulsi has a few lucid moments as well, even calling out CNN and NY Times who are hosting the debate.
Seriously, I don't get why Conservatives think they can accurately call what Liberals want.

Looking at the Republican primary in 2016 Liberals were like "Well there's no way anyone's going to go for Trump's whacky, nasty, idiotic ways!" and lo and behold, turns out Liberals aren't the ones who determine the GOP nominee.

And Presidents don't get elected then just push the "implement my agenda" button, then boom, done! Congress and the Senate have every bit as much say, more really, than the President. So she can be in favor of all that **** she wants, but not even 10% of it will ever come to fruition.
 
I'm just wondering who of these candidates could not only implement communism but actually make it work this time. That's going to take a special individual.
 
I cant wait for my 1000 dollar a month check, much higher taxes and my 75 dollar cheeseburger.

Good times.
 
You know you want that check.

No I dont. I make enough money. I dont need it. I do know how economics work, and that check is going to cause more problems than it helps.

I think it is a good idea way down the road once robots take over, and the robots fix the robots, but we are still a long ways from that.

Throwing money at incompetence is a bad investment. Its why socialism will never work. Give a heroin addict 1000 dollars a month and guarantee they are still homeless heroin addicts, and it will probably will just speed up their demise. I know this from personal experience. I have a homeless heroine addicted sister. Ive literally offered to pay for everything to help fix her life. The only condition was getting sober. She couldnt do it.

This isnt just about the homeless and heroin addicts either. Lazy people in general will still be lazy. They will be less motivated to do anything. Which in turn just means more of a burden on productive people. Which ruins your society.

Also inflation. So whats the point?
 
No I dont. I make enough money. I dont need it. I do know how economics work, and that check is going to cause more problems than it helps.

I think it is a good idea way down the road once robots take over, and the robots fix the robots, but we are still a long ways from that.

Throwing money at incompetence is a bad investment. Its why socialism will never work. Give a heroin addict 1000 dollars a month and guarantee they are still homeless heroin addicts, and it will probably will just speed up their demise. I know this from personal experience. I have a homeless heroine addicted sister. Ive literally offered to pay for everything to help fix her life. The only condition was getting sober. She couldnt do it.

This isnt just about the homeless and heroin addicts either. Lazy people in general will still be lazy. They will be less motivated to do anything. Which in turn just means more of a burden on productive people. Which ruins your society.

Also inflation. So whats the point?

I make enough money so why should I give two ****s about those who don’t. Not everyone that’s struggling is a lazy ***. And sorry about your sister, sounds like a very unpleasant situation.
 
No I dont. I make enough money. I dont need it. I do know how economics work, and that check is going to cause more problems than it helps.

I think it is a good idea way down the road once robots take over, and the robots fix the robots, but we are still a long ways from that.

Throwing money at incompetence is a bad investment. Its why socialism will never work. Give a heroin addict 1000 dollars a month and guarantee they are still homeless heroin addicts, and it will probably will just speed up their demise. I know this from personal experience. I have a homeless heroine addicted sister. Ive literally offered to pay for everything to help fix her life. The only condition was getting sober. She couldnt do it.

This isnt just about the homeless and heroin addicts either. Lazy people in general will still be lazy. They will be less motivated to do anything. Which in turn just means more of a burden on productive people. Which ruins your society.

Also inflation. So whats the point?
You don't know **** about economics

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Rich people are generally lazier.

most poor people are busting their asses trying to buy enough formula for the baby.

but it is fun to bash the poor. It makes us feel so superior.
 
Rich people are generally lazier.

most poor people are busting their asses trying to buy enough formula for the baby.

but it is fun to bash the poor. It makes us feel so superior.

So you are lazy? You told me once you pay more in taxes than I make.

If you cant afford a baby, why are you having one?

You are more than welcome to contribute to poor people. I dont think anything is wrong with that. Trying to force other people to is immoral. You are basically for slavery if you feel that way.

Not every poor person is a victim. In fact most of them arent in this country. Nobody forces no one to not study and do well in school. Nobody is forcing anyone to make poor decisions in life like spend money on pot or beer instead of investing. Or just being bad with money in general. You have to know that that is part of the equation right?

You know what all this virtue signaling and promoting socialism is right? You arent just anti-Trump. You are....you guessed it, a - EL I Bee E ARE A EL. Lmao. Busted
 
I make enough money so why should I give two ****s about those who don’t. Not everyone that’s struggling is a lazy ***. And sorry about your sister, sounds like a very unpleasant situation.

You are more than welcome to volunteer your own money/slash labor to help struggling people. There is nothing wrong with that. I think its a noble thing to do.

Do you think its ok to force other people to do the same? How do you even know if those people can even spare any money or time to help?
 
What about Bernie? Was he there? If so, what were your thoughts on him?

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I’m just glad Bernie was there. I don’t know if many who could’ve had a heart attack and looked as good as he did. I thought Bernie did his thing. He always makes a lot of sense and stays on message. He’s very disciplined and articulates well his message. If he were to be the nominee I’d enthusiastically vote for him. I just don’t think he’s got enough support to be electable. Hope I’m wrong, I really like him and I thought he looked good last night.
 
If you cant afford a baby, why are you having one?

So you are judging someone who busts their *** to feed their kids a good meal? That's special. Puff up your chest, you are a great and proud American. Or a total embarrassment. One of those two, I'm sure.
 
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