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To start, those within the scene never cared for the term to begin with, but at least culturally for that time period, somewhat geographically, there’s an association with the term. Obviously you have the bigger commercial names out of Seattle in Nirvana, Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, and Pearl Jam, with more similarities amongst the vocalists of the latter three. But really the only unifying thing about this scene is the contrast it presented to the hair metal bands of the 80s that had a much cleaner sound.

So what exactly makes grunge grunge? Nirvana, for instance, doesn’t even have a lot of consistencies amongst their own catalogue. They essentially had three albums (not acknowledging that POS album between Nevermind and In Utero) and commercially really only two, and the differences in style between them are pretty large. With Cobain, Nirvana died, then you had Alice In Chains face out with Layne Staley and then he died, and though they’re still around it really isn’t the same. Soundgarden broke up in ‘97 or whenever, so the era kind of phased out. But then you have Pearl Jam and WTF? Pearl Jam has been around now for about 30 years, meaning that they really only spent 4-5 years as a “grunge band,” as nobody would refer to them as that now.

Obviously there’s more to this than the commercially successful bands, but when we’re creating the pop culture understanding of what grunge is, these bands create the backdrop for this. But what exactly defines it? Is it just a time frame and geography? I mean, if you go listen to Ugly Kid Joe’s “America’s Least Wanted,” the actual sound is fairly indistinguishable from being grunge if one didn’t know better, but nobody would have considered them grunge. Is it because they were from California? Because they looked more like they belonged at an Aerosmith or GNR concert rather than in flannel and in the Pacific Northwest?

If your kid asks you, “what kind of music is Pearl Jam?,” what do you say? If someone asks you what grunge is, do you explain it stylistically, or by time and place? If stylistically, how is it differentiated from many other things that aren’t grunge?

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I say alternative. Grunge is really a sub-genre of alternative.
 


Back in ‘95 Candlebox came to Utah. Too young to go (which is funny because when I attend concerts of these 90s bands now, it seems like there are millions of of kids 6-12). But I was like 10-11. There was a kid at school who claimed he went and that the singer pulled him out of the crowd and gave him backstage passes, then threw him back in the crowd. Was full of ****, obviously, but it’s funny how little we were entertained by back then.
 
To answer your questions I would say Pearl Jam is grunge, and that that is a style of alternative rock that originated in the PNW in the early nineties with an aesthetic that was a big departure from the excesses of the hair metal bands that were popular at the time.

The sound caught on and was copied to varying levels of success through to the early 2000's and reached its nadir with the band Creed or maybe Bush.
 
Nirvana and a lot more of the less commercial grunge bands certainly have more punk influences, whereas you can’t hear any punk in any of the other commercial grunge bands. Nirvana was a bit messier (though a bit more clean on Nevermind). Though Nirvana was one of my favorite bands growing up, I think they’ve become insanely overrated. Though I still like them, I don’t typically think, “hey, I want to listen to Nirvana,” very often. All the other bands had more complex melodies that built up through songs. Often I’ll want to go listen to (first two albums) Pearl Jam or Alice In Chains.
 
Nirvana and a lot more of the less commercial grunge bands certainly have more punk influences, whereas you can’t hear any punk in any of the other commercial grunge bands. Nirvana was a bit messier (though a bit more clean on Nevermind). Though Nirvana was one of my favorite bands growing up, I think they’ve become insanely overrated. Though I still like them, I don’t typically think, “hey, I want to listen to Nirvana,” very often. All the other bands had more complex melodies that built up through songs. Often I’ll want to go listen to (first two albums) Pearl Jam or Alice In Chains.
You and I would really struggle to enjoy a road trip.
 
I like everything about this thread but the first sentence ******** inclusion.


Great music isnt underground nor popular.

Stop being an selfish **** about it.


You're just as bad as the popular *****.
 
If my kid asks what Pearl Jam is I'd say 90's alt rock. If my kid asks what grunge is I'd say it's more fashion than music.
 
If my kid asks what Pearl Jam is I'd say 90's alt rock. If my kid asks what grunge is I'd say it's more fashion than music.
That's because you're one of those though.

Why be that way?

Grunge is subjective...as is music.
 
That's because you're one of those though.

Why be that way?

Grunge is subjective...as is music.

Huh? Not really sure what you are saying or asking. But I don't like grunge as a music label because a lot if not most of the bands labeled grunge are not that similar musically imo. I don't think Pearl Jam and Nirvana are similar at all. Or Nirvana and Alice in Chains. Or Alice and Chains and Mudhoney. They did all wear oversized flannel and ripped jeans though.
 
Combination of Punk and classical rock, an alternative to the overproduced hair metal and **** rock of the 80s and pricks like Phil Collins, the ******.
 
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