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Scat said:
I couldn't agree with this post more. I never understood why Pearl Jam was so popular.
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I like the sound of the music generally. To me the vocal performance is grating and irritating more than anything else.
 
Scat said:
I couldn't agree with this post more. I never understood why Pearl Jam was so popular.
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First two albums are good. A couple songs from Vitalogy, as well. I can't say I've gone too deep into anything post-Vitalogy, but everything I've heard has not been all that great.
 
infection said:
First two albums are good. A couple songs from Vitalogy, as well. I can't say I've gone too deep into anything post-Vitalogy, but everything I've heard has not been all that great.
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They remain my favorite band, mostly because they are amazing live. Musically, I think they peaked in Yield (5th album, 1998). Pretty good, balanced album. After that they have had 3-4 goods songs per album but no consistent effort in any of them. Again, their shows are phenomenal.
 
infection said:
First two albums are good. A couple songs from Vitalogy, as well. I can't say I've gone too deep into anything post-Vitalogy, but everything I've heard has not been all that great.
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*looks at poster’s name*
*adds necessary context to the bolded statement*

Copy that, infection.
;)
 
Bush, Pixies, STP are some good ones.


I'm not a big Pearl Jam guy but even I can recognize their uniqueness.
 
I like STP for sure. Another sad case of a lead singer who died.

Edit: meant to say died too soon. Sad how many of these guys suffer from mental illness that either goes untreated or they get into substance abuse or what have you.
 
NAOS said:
Let’s all take a knee at the altar of Velvet Underground, who maybe should be considered the most influential band ever—when it comes to inspiring music, as opposed to fashion, iconography, or whatever else spins out from bands. Yes, even more than the Beatles in this sense.

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Niko - The Queen of Goth.

 
infection said:


Back in ‘95 Candlebox came to Utah. Too young to go (which is funny because when I attend concerts of these 90s bands now, it seems like there are millions of of kids 6-12). But I was like 10-11. There was a kid at school who claimed he went and that the singer pulled him out of the crowd and gave him backstage passes, then threw him back in the crowd. Was full of ****, obviously, but it’s funny how little we were entertained by back then.
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If it’s inappropriate please delete. But this is now what I think about with this song.
 
Scat said:
I couldn't agree with this post more. I never understood why Pearl Jam was so popular.
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They have maybe like 7 or 8 really really good songs. But thats out of a pretty big catalog so not that impressive as a whole.
 
Jeremy is a pretty great ****ing song and video. Prescient too. I like another dozen of their songs but it’s all sort of woe is me viby.
 
From Wikipedia
Grunge (sometimes referred to as the Seattle sound) is a rock music genre and subculture that emerged during the mid-1980s in the Pacific Northwest U.S. state of Washington, particularly in Seattle and nearby towns. The early grunge movement revolved around Seattle's independent record label Sub Pop and the region's underground music scene. The owners of Sub Pop marketed Northwestern punk rock shrewdly and the media was encouraged to describe it as "grunge", which came to mean a punk and metal hybrid style of music.[6] By the early 1990s, its popularity had spread, with grunge bands appearing in California, then emerging in other parts of the United States and in Australia, building strong followings and signing major record deals.

Grunge was commercially successful in the early to mid-1990s, due to releases such as Nirvana's Nevermind, Pearl Jam's Ten, Soundgarden's Badmotorfinger, Alice in Chains' Dirt and Stone Temple Pilots' Core. The success of these bands boosted the popularity of alternative rock and made grunge the most popular form of rock music at the time.[7] Although most grunge bands had disbanded or faded from view by the late 1990s, they influenced modern rock music, as their lyrics brought socially conscious issues into pop culture[8] and added introspection and an exploration of what it means to be true to oneself.[9] Grunge was also an influence on later genres such as post-grunge (such as Creed and Nickelback) and nu metal (such as Korn and Limp Bizkit).

Grunge fuses elements of punk rock[1] and heavy metal,[2] featuring the distorted electric guitar sound used in both genres, although some bands performed with more emphasis on one or the other. Like these genres, grunge typically uses electric guitar, bass guitar, drums and vocals. Grunge also incorporates influences from indie rock bands such as Sonic Youth. Lyrics are typically angst-filled and introspective, often addressing themes such as social alienation, self-doubt, abuse, neglect, betrayal, social and emotional isolation, psychological trauma and a desire for freedom.[10][11]
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Grunge was more of a geographic/attitude category than a strictly genre one.

I guess the way I look at it is that since the Beatles, popular music has broadly been divided into guitar-music and non-guitar-music. Some might say rock and pop instead, but I like the guitar division better. Since the early 60s, we have had the ebb and flow and the interplay between the two, but the basic division remains.

I think grunge was the response to what guitar-music had become in the 80s. The rise of glam metal was a particular issue. Everything from the extreme focus on the aesthetics, to the ridiculous paradox of dressing up in women's clothing and makeup while simultaneously being grossly misogynistic and homophobic, to guitar solos for the sake of guitar solos, to keyboards being used to appeal to the non-guitar side of the spectrum, to the whole idea of "rock stars."

Grunge to me was simply guitar music from outside of large megalopolises that rebelled against the contemporary trends in guitar music. Even if you look at the bands from Seattle area alone, there were big differences between them as far as their music went. Kurt Cobain had much stronger pop sensibilities than anyone else in that scene. I mean, the Beatles were his favourite band. Soundgarden leaned heavily towards what in the 80s was underground metal . Pearl Jam were basically a classic rock band with a warbly-voiced crooner instead of an operatic shrieker. Mother Love Bone, whose one and only album is very underrated, sounded and looked more like a glam band than I think they would've liked to admit. Mudhoney were probably the most "punk" of any of those bands, but even they relied more on distorted riffs than most traditional three-chord punk bands did.

What they had in common was the sheer disregard for boundaries between genres(Punk? Metal? Classic rock? Who cares?), the DIY punk aesthetic that said that all you needed was 2-3 buddies to put a band together, and the rejection of much of the machismo of glam metal. I suppose there's also the rejection of the 80s materialistic culture in general. Oh, and they all loved their distortion pedals. What guitar player doesn't, though? My music taste has expanded and evolved since the early 90s, but once in a while, there's nothing like plugging your guitar in, turning up the distortion, and just playing a bunch of power chords.
 
infection said:
Somebody say Niko? I did have a dream last night that someone left our team. Not sure who, that part didn’t really make sense, but we signed Niko.

@Handlogten's Heros
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I haven’t dreamed about basketball since Covid 19 but I’d love to wake up with a little morning Wood. I’ve declared this season over already... don’t see much hope for anything that resembles a playoff.

nice to know there is still hope in your subconscious... he will get a 10 day when he’s like 37 and have a moment in a blowout and you will get 1000 mentions on teh JazzFanz
 
Beer said:
They have maybe like 7 or 8 really really good songs. But thats out of a pretty big catalog so not that impressive as a whole.
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Nah, they have more than that. I could probably name 25 or more. But music is subjective, so...
 
Too much PJ slander here. Do they have a perfect score like Opeth? Nah but their peak was glorious and they deliver on quite a few songs in their latter albums. It's more than enough.
 
Hekate said:
Too much PJ slander here. Do they have a perfect score like Opeth? Nah but their peak was glorious and they deliver on quite a few songs in their latter albums. It's more than enough.
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This one brings me so much joy:



It was 10 years ago. I was doing a masters degree in Manchester (UK). Had the most amazing time there: had a hot Korean GF, travelled around Europe, went to several concerts, went to Manchester City games right before they became dominant, enjoyed the amazing bars...
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Jeremy is a pretty great ****ing song and video. Prescient too. I like another dozen of their songs but it’s all sort of woe is me viby.
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Black, immortality, the evolution, porch, icould go on. The are still ****ing great live too.
 
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