Joe Bagadonuts
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OMG. People are actually considering voting for this guy?
Of course people are. He will be the Democratic nominee and there are lots of Democrats.OMG. People are actually considering voting for this guy?
Okay, but Biden is not on a good trajectory from a health standpoint. He is not going to get sharper. He's going to get worse and worse. It's stunning to me that so many Dems say that defeating Trump is the most important thing by far, and then they all put their heads together and select Biden to do the job. It's like handing Trump a gift. Is this really the best that the Democratic Party can do?Of course people are. He will be the Democratic nominee and there are lots of Democrats.
Just like people voted for Trump who was an even worse candidate because he was the republican nominee and there are lots of Republicans. Duh
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I agree that Biden sucks.Okay, but Biden is not on a good trajectory from a health standpoint. He is not going to get sharper. He's going to get worse and worse. It's stunning to me that so many Dems say that defeating Trump is the most important thing by far, and then they all put their heads together and select Biden to do the job. It's like handing Trump a gift. Is this really the best that the Democratic Party can do?
I typically choose to not vote at all as I never like any presidential candidate.Couldn't agree more, fish. The modern Republican platform is weaponized, thinly-veiled faux Christianity; the Democratic platform is weaponized, thinly-veiled faux intellectualism. Both parties are controlled by special interest groups, and led by cronies who distinguish themselves mainly in their ability to persuade lazy masses of Americans on both sides of the aisle. Sure, there are in-earnest individuals here and there-- the Mitts and Bernies and AOCs and Justin Amashes-- but even they have their ulterior motives, and their failure to conform just gets framed by the opposition, ironically, as everything wrong with their respective party. I wish I could say "You can have your identity politics-- I'm just not interested", but unfortunately we're all being dragged along behind this train wreck, whether we like it or not. Pick your poison: You can either betray your conscience and vote for hot garbage to lead our country, or betray your conscience and not vote at all.
Glad I'm not the only one not falling for "You're not American if you don't vote!". How about you produce a worthwhile candidate, and stop trying to guilt me into doing it just to prevent the other party from winning?I typically choose to not vote at all as I never like any presidential candidate.
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To choose not to vote is to choose the status quo. Don't miss the opportunity to take a chance that devil we don't know is not as bad as the devil we do know. It can not be any worse.I typically choose to not vote at all as I never like any presidential candidate.
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I will vote in this next election simply to try to help rid us of trump.To choose not to vote is to choose the status quo. Don't miss the opportunity to take a chance that devil we don't know is not as bad as the devil we do know. It can not be any worse.
You know, I typed out this whole response about how my definition of 'status quo' includes not voting for someone we like, but voting against the person we don't like, and how that's not a good enough reason to participate. But the more I typed, the more I came around to realizing we are at such a low point, that's maybe the best we can do in our voting process. I believe, in fact, that's exactly how we got to where we are at this point in history: The only reason Trump got elected was because he knew he already had the blindly loyal Republican voters, and went about the task of garnering support from huge chunks of society absolutely starving for his anti-establishment rhetoric. I mean, Trump voters were either voting against a) Democrats, and/or b) what they believed to be the swamp, or the status quo, or whatever you want to call it (babe can elaborate-- just ask). It's that simple, and it will be the same in 2020. It feels greasy to admit it, but I hear what you're saying, Stars Fan: The reason why I-- why anybody-- should now knowingly participate in a system that's this broken is to fight fire with fire. If that's how Trump got into office, that just might be the only way to get him out. And if he stays another four years, it's because the country still favors the lowest common denominator... though for me, the margin between that and Biden isn't much.To choose not to vote is to choose the status quo. Don't miss the opportunity to take a chance that devil we don't know is not as bad as the devil we do know. It can not be any worse.
Oof. Got me. I'm gonna call my supervisor and advise abandoning this website-- we've clearly failed.I know that this site is a little niche political recruitment effort, and it succeeds about one out of every thousand of passersby, but this thread is quit3e a monument to self-hypnosis or cult psychology.
Oof. Got me. I'm gonna call my supervisor and advise abandoning this website-- we've clearly failed.
I agree that Biden sucks.
Thing is, it wouldn't matter who the nominee was for the Dems. You would still think they suck cause you a republican.
The other thing is that if he were the likely republican candidate then you would be willing to overlook his flaws, defend him, support him, and eventually vote for him
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To choose not to vote is to choose the status quo. Don't miss the opportunity to take a chance that devil we don't know is not as bad as the devil we do know. It can not be any worse.
Not true at all. I would have voted for Klobochar. I would probably vote for Cuomo. I voted for Obama in '08. I think that Biden is unelectable because he can't even form a coherent sentence these days. He ought to be killing it on the virtual campaign trail ATM but you never hear from him because even his handlers have figured out that he's a disaster. If they let him debate against Trump it will be a bloodbath. It looks like the Dems are in a desperate situation to me. How are they going to get him out of the way? I wouldn't be very surprised if he "catches COVID" and disappears.I agree that Biden sucks.
Thing is, it wouldn't matter who the nominee was for the Dems. You would still think they suck cause you a republican.
The other thing is that if he were the likely republican candidate then you would be willing to overlook his flaws, defend him, support him, and eventually vote for him
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So, you're saying there's a chance?!?You know, I typed out this whole response about how my definition of 'status quo' includes not voting for someone we like, but voting against the person we don't like, and how that's not a good enough reason to participate. But the more I typed, the more I came around to realizing we are at such a low point, that's maybe the best we can do in our voting process. I believe, in fact, that's exactly how we got to where we are at this point in history: The only reason Trump got elected was because he knew he already had the blindly loyal Republican voters, and went about the task of garnering support from huge chunks of society absolutely starving for his anti-establishment rhetoric. I mean, Trump voters were either voting against a) Democrats, and/or b) what they believed to be the swamp, or the status quo, or whatever you want to call it (babe can elaborate-- just ask). It's that simple, and it will be the same in 2020. It feels greasy to admit it, but I hear what you're saying, Stars Fan: The reason why I-- why anybody-- should now knowingly participate in a system that's this broken is to fight fire with fire. If that's how Trump got into office, that just might be the only way to get him out. And if he stays another four years, it's because the country still favors the lowest common denominator... though for me, the margin between that and Biden isn't much.
How anyone can watch 45 and think he is consistently coherent is beyond me. Biden might have a slipping belt as well, but the idea that he is less coherent than Trump is fake news. A debate between the two could be highly entertaining. Moderators be like huh? Whaaa? Ok then, back to you in the booth....heeeeelp!!Not true at all. I would have voted for Klobochar. I would probably vote for Cuomo. I voted for Obama in '08. I think that Biden is unelectable because he can't even form a coherent sentence these days. He ought to be killing it on the virtual campaign trail ATM but you never hear from him because even his handlers have figured out that he's a disaster. If they let him debate against Trump it will be a bloodbath. It looks like the Dems are in a desperate situation to me. How are they going to get him out of the way? I wouldn't be very surprised if he "catches COVID" and disappears.
Interesting. I see Trump as an extreme promoter and I can see why that bothers people who dislike his policies. I do not see him as incoherent. Meanwhile, to me Biden has always been somewhat of a bumbler but recently he seems to be completely losing his faculties. I have not seen a recent interview where he has made any sense at all. I believe that he has known for a while that his mental faculties are slipping. This is why he has suggested that he might not even be able to finish a first term. I think a debate between Biden and Trump would be a complete train wreck, and the certain casualty will be Biden.How anyone can watch 45 and think he is consistently coherent is beyond me. Biden might have a slipping belt as well, but the idea that he is less coherent than Trump is fake news. A debate between the two could be highly entertaining. Moderators be like huh? Whaaa? Ok then, back to you in the booth....heeeeelp!!
My hope is that Biden, or his backers, realize that he is in trouble and come out with a party unity cabinet well before the convention. Take the good idea people and put them in positions of responsibility, Yang, Warren. Klobuchar, etc. Make it clear that the president will not be playing solitaire, that he will listen to competent people and make decisions based on fact and expertise.