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OMG. People are actually considering voting for this guy?
Of course people are. He will be the Democratic nominee and there are lots of Democrats.
Just like people voted for Trump who was an even worse candidate because he was the republican nominee and there are lots of Republicans. Duh

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Of course people are. He will be the Democratic nominee and there are lots of Democrats.
Just like people voted for Trump who was an even worse candidate because he was the republican nominee and there are lots of Republicans. Duh

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Okay, but Biden is not on a good trajectory from a health standpoint. He is not going to get sharper. He's going to get worse and worse. It's stunning to me that so many Dems say that defeating Trump is the most important thing by far, and then they all put their heads together and select Biden to do the job. It's like handing Trump a gift. Is this really the best that the Democratic Party can do?
 
Okay, but Biden is not on a good trajectory from a health standpoint. He is not going to get sharper. He's going to get worse and worse. It's stunning to me that so many Dems say that defeating Trump is the most important thing by far, and then they all put their heads together and select Biden to do the job. It's like handing Trump a gift. Is this really the best that the Democratic Party can do?
I agree that Biden sucks.
Thing is, it wouldn't matter who the nominee was for the Dems. You would still think they suck cause you a republican.
The other thing is that if he were the likely republican candidate then you would be willing to overlook his flaws, defend him, support him, and eventually vote for him

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Couldn't agree more, fish. The modern Republican platform is weaponized, thinly-veiled faux Christianity; the Democratic platform is weaponized, thinly-veiled faux intellectualism. Both parties are controlled by special interest groups, and led by cronies who distinguish themselves mainly in their ability to persuade lazy and confused masses of Americans on both sides of the aisle. Sure, there are in-earnest individuals here and there-- the Mitts and Bernies and AOCs and Justin Amashes-- but even they have their ulterior motives, and their failure to conform just gets framed by the opposition, ironically, as everything wrong with their respective party. I wish I could say "You can have your identity politics-- I'm just not interested", but unfortunately we're all being dragged along behind this train wreck, whether we like it or not. Pick your poison: You can either betray your conscience and vote for hot garbage to lead our country, or betray your conscience and not vote at all.
 
Couldn't agree more, fish. The modern Republican platform is weaponized, thinly-veiled faux Christianity; the Democratic platform is weaponized, thinly-veiled faux intellectualism. Both parties are controlled by special interest groups, and led by cronies who distinguish themselves mainly in their ability to persuade lazy masses of Americans on both sides of the aisle. Sure, there are in-earnest individuals here and there-- the Mitts and Bernies and AOCs and Justin Amashes-- but even they have their ulterior motives, and their failure to conform just gets framed by the opposition, ironically, as everything wrong with their respective party. I wish I could say "You can have your identity politics-- I'm just not interested", but unfortunately we're all being dragged along behind this train wreck, whether we like it or not. Pick your poison: You can either betray your conscience and vote for hot garbage to lead our country, or betray your conscience and not vote at all.
I typically choose to not vote at all as I never like any presidential candidate.

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To choose not to vote is to choose the status quo. Don't miss the opportunity to take a chance that devil we don't know is not as bad as the devil we do know. It can not be any worse.
I will vote in this next election simply to try to help rid us of trump.
After that I will only vote if there is a candidate that I actually like

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I know that this site is a little niche political recruitment effort, and it succeeds about one out of every thousand of passersby, but this thread is quit3e a monument to self-hypnosis or cult psychology.

Most Americans just see Trump as still a bit better than the Hillarys, the Pelosis, the Bidens. A lot are questioning the governors' authoritarian edicts, but at least Trump is deferring to the States the powers the Federal government actually should not have.

Nobody knows how to fit a "Pandemic" into the equation of legitimate governance powers whether federal, state, or local.

Trumps critics were howling at the end of January about his travel ban for people coming from Wuhan, and efforts to screen people for Covid on entry. Some in here were calling that out as some damn sort of racism, as if he wouldn't have done the same if the London fish market was generating a horrid new virus. OK, so maybe he wouldn't have, but it would have been because of our loyalty to the Brit financial kingpins and other elites, whom we reverence more than our founding fathers nowadays. Point is, whatever the reasoning, it was a good thing he did that, even while his advisors were saying "no need". He was just answering and saying "OK, but what if....." and choosing the side of caution. Probably made our run with Covid about one tenth what it would have been with a Hillary, Pelosi, Biden or some other damn China bot like McConnel in charge.

The reason the Dems and/or DumpTrumpsters were howling for unrestricted travel from the pandemic outbreak source is the same reason China's officials lied about it to the world. Dems are in the bag for China, including a lot of RINOs like McComme; amd Romney.

I was once fascinated with the ideas of improving the world's trade routes and economic infrastructure like the Belt and Road, which conservatives now equate with "Commie", but had to pull out of the project because of Xi's authoritarian manners...… setting up ethnic cleansing/religious persecution indoctrination/slave labor camps for some minorities, pulling people off the street and disappearing them, ubiquitous monitoring of webz activities, calculation social scores and in every way suppressing dissent or criticism.

The real offenders in this country on the question of authoritarian excesses is the Democrats/the Democrat Press/the Education Establishment/ a plethora of long-politically "progressive" institutions, and our Federal and State governance set, now almost entirely fascist in their intermeshing of moolah and favors.

The awful Covid recovery financial packages with more payola for establishment political actors than for the Coveid victims or the frontline workers, ten to one.

I think Trump has been beaten by a combination of flanking maneuvers, and that he literally sees no way to win now.

And what would he want to win? Better trade relations (fair and honest) with China.

The Chinese have won this war. Thanks to the China bots like most of you in here, who have dreams of a utopian never-never land that can never be. When the intellectual supporters of Bolshevism expected to he drawn into the new government they worked for, they were, instead, the first wave of political arrests. As every dictator knows, people who have the skills and power to put you in the catbhirds seat are the ones you must dispose of first, to retain uncontested power.

Go ahead, vote for Biden, and see if you can still sing the same tunes about authoritarian excesses and political corruption.
 
To choose not to vote is to choose the status quo. Don't miss the opportunity to take a chance that devil we don't know is not as bad as the devil we do know. It can not be any worse.
You know, I typed out this whole response about how my definition of 'status quo' includes not voting for someone we like, but voting against the person we don't like, and how that's not a good enough reason to participate. But the more I typed, the more I came around to realizing we are at such a low point, that's maybe the best we can do in our voting process. I believe, in fact, that's exactly how we got to where we are at this point in history: The only reason Trump got elected was because he knew he already had the blindly loyal Republican voters, and went about the task of garnering support from huge chunks of society absolutely starving for his anti-establishment rhetoric. I mean, Trump voters were either voting against a) Democrats, and/or b) what they believed to be the swamp, or the status quo, or whatever you want to call it (babe can elaborate-- just ask). It's that simple, and it will be the same in 2020. It feels greasy to admit it, but I hear what you're saying, Stars Fan: The reason why I-- why anybody-- should now knowingly participate in a system that's this broken is to fight fire with fire. If that's how Trump got into office, that just might be the only way to get him out. And if he stays another four years, it's because the country still favors the lowest common denominator... though for me, the margin between that and Biden isn't much.
 
Oof. Got me. I'm gonna call my supervisor and advise abandoning this website-- we've clearly failed.

I already told Jason, and he just ignores me now. And Colton, and SirWimpyEgghead. Rev8? Didn't he die from Covid in Germany.

I know the leadership here is pretty weak, hardly ever involved in fact. Or in fact even concerned with facts. Some of the mods seem willing to humor an oddball like me, though. It's more of safe place for libs than a Utah community, for sure, and I'm pretty sure almost no one here but Thriller actually is being told what to say, or not to say....... maybe that newb Zombie is still on training wheels.... A community of like-minded hopeful people seeking refuge from the atrocities of the Sporting Life. That's what Basketball has always been for me. No rough and tumble stuff, no falling flat in the mud, no funny ball that doesn't bounce right or fly right.

Basketball is hardwood, waxed , and all net three pointers with no one close enough to object or obstruct.

Clearly, I understand why libs like Basketball, and why it's sooooo important to run off the fire-breathing nitwit rednecks who just can't appreciate "The Way Things Are".
 
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I agree that Biden sucks.
Thing is, it wouldn't matter who the nominee was for the Dems. You would still think they suck cause you a republican.
The other thing is that if he were the likely republican candidate then you would be willing to overlook his flaws, defend him, support him, and eventually vote for him

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I want Biden and Hunter in jail with Hillary. Jail, Hell or Bust!!!!! What a great campaign slogan for the Dems.

Not so much to ask, really.

Throw in McConnel and his wife Elaine Chou too.

My Gawd. Isn't Harry dead already. Probably a cooked Mo. Like Mitt is gonna be if he keeps on keepin' on with his schtick.

I'd expect Huntsman to go that way too.
 
To choose not to vote is to choose the status quo. Don't miss the opportunity to take a chance that devil we don't know is not as bad as the devil we do know. It can not be any worse.

Actually, I've seen this before. People who are freshly weaned from the idea of God, flexing some incipient Anarchist notions, not all that settled with Establishment mainstay figureheads.

Our politicians are rarely independent critters. To be a polician, you have to lick boots...... more importantly you have to find the right boots to lick.

Pretty sure Trump was a slow study on the art, but I imagine he's learning.....
 
I agree that Biden sucks.
Thing is, it wouldn't matter who the nominee was for the Dems. You would still think they suck cause you a republican.
The other thing is that if he were the likely republican candidate then you would be willing to overlook his flaws, defend him, support him, and eventually vote for him

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Not true at all. I would have voted for Klobochar. I would probably vote for Cuomo. I voted for Obama in '08. I think that Biden is unelectable because he can't even form a coherent sentence these days. He ought to be killing it on the virtual campaign trail ATM but you never hear from him because even his handlers have figured out that he's a disaster. If they let him debate against Trump it will be a bloodbath. It looks like the Dems are in a desperate situation to me. How are they going to get him out of the way? I wouldn't be very surprised if he "catches COVID" and disappears.
 
You know, I typed out this whole response about how my definition of 'status quo' includes not voting for someone we like, but voting against the person we don't like, and how that's not a good enough reason to participate. But the more I typed, the more I came around to realizing we are at such a low point, that's maybe the best we can do in our voting process. I believe, in fact, that's exactly how we got to where we are at this point in history: The only reason Trump got elected was because he knew he already had the blindly loyal Republican voters, and went about the task of garnering support from huge chunks of society absolutely starving for his anti-establishment rhetoric. I mean, Trump voters were either voting against a) Democrats, and/or b) what they believed to be the swamp, or the status quo, or whatever you want to call it (babe can elaborate-- just ask). It's that simple, and it will be the same in 2020. It feels greasy to admit it, but I hear what you're saying, Stars Fan: The reason why I-- why anybody-- should now knowingly participate in a system that's this broken is to fight fire with fire. If that's how Trump got into office, that just might be the only way to get him out. And if he stays another four years, it's because the country still favors the lowest common denominator... though for me, the margin between that and Biden isn't much.
So, you're saying there's a chance?!?
 
Not true at all. I would have voted for Klobochar. I would probably vote for Cuomo. I voted for Obama in '08. I think that Biden is unelectable because he can't even form a coherent sentence these days. He ought to be killing it on the virtual campaign trail ATM but you never hear from him because even his handlers have figured out that he's a disaster. If they let him debate against Trump it will be a bloodbath. It looks like the Dems are in a desperate situation to me. How are they going to get him out of the way? I wouldn't be very surprised if he "catches COVID" and disappears.
How anyone can watch 45 and think he is consistently coherent is beyond me. Biden might have a slipping belt as well, but the idea that he is less coherent than Trump is fake news. A debate between the two could be highly entertaining. Moderators be like huh? Whaaa? Ok then, back to you in the booth....heeeeelp!!

My hope is that Biden, or his backers, realize that he is in trouble and come out with a party unity cabinet well before the convention. Take the good idea people and put them in positions of responsibility, Yang, Warren. Klobuchar, etc. Make it clear that the president will not be playing solitaire, that he will listen to competent people and make decisions based on fact and expertise.
 
How anyone can watch 45 and think he is consistently coherent is beyond me. Biden might have a slipping belt as well, but the idea that he is less coherent than Trump is fake news. A debate between the two could be highly entertaining. Moderators be like huh? Whaaa? Ok then, back to you in the booth....heeeeelp!!

My hope is that Biden, or his backers, realize that he is in trouble and come out with a party unity cabinet well before the convention. Take the good idea people and put them in positions of responsibility, Yang, Warren. Klobuchar, etc. Make it clear that the president will not be playing solitaire, that he will listen to competent people and make decisions based on fact and expertise.
Interesting. I see Trump as an extreme promoter and I can see why that bothers people who dislike his policies. I do not see him as incoherent. Meanwhile, to me Biden has always been somewhat of a bumbler but recently he seems to be completely losing his faculties. I have not seen a recent interview where he has made any sense at all. I believe that he has known for a while that his mental faculties are slipping. This is why he has suggested that he might not even be able to finish a first term. I think a debate between Biden and Trump would be a complete train wreck, and the certain casualty will be Biden.

The idea that electing Biden so that his unelected cabinet could take over and run the country while he takes naps and drinks soup (which is where he appears to be headed in the short term) is not very comforting.
 
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